Anyone Have 2000-2011 Old Roco Catalogues Handy or know a Source Online?

Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Error

Anyone Have 2000-2011 Old Roco Catalogues Handy or know a Source Online?

Options

View

Previous Topic Next Topic

5HorizonsRR		#1 Posted : 07 August 2013 21:01:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Hey all, I'm desperately trying to compose a set of Roco FS Italian "Gran Confort" coaches in their original livery with the "Television" logo. They appear to have offered this set twice in the past dozen years or so, however I can't for the life of me figure out the part numbers for a whole train. Does anyone have old Roco catalogues they can help out with? Even more confusing is the fact they have done a near identical set twice with different logos. Here is my starting point: Set 1: 45643 Salon Coach 1cl 45642 Coach 1cl Missing part number for the others Set 2: 45635 Dining Car 45630 1cl Coach Missing part numbers for the others Does anyone have a catalogue where they can grab the part numbers for the rest of the sets? A sample coach can be found here: http://www.tecnomodel-tr...it/dettagli.php?id=16349 Thanks!
		SBB Era 2-5


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks


	Wish to join the discussion?! Login to your marklin-users.net community \| Forum account or Register a new forum account. Or Connect via Facebook

mike c		#2 Posted : 08 August 2013 01:58:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,890 Location: Montreal, QC		I have several catalogs from the early 2000s. I will check with models are listed. One question though... When you say original livery, do you mean the TEE livery (TEE Mediolanum, TEE Lemano) or do you mean the later Gran Comfort livery of the 1980s? Gieffeci is the distributor for Roco in Italy. They have a number of items produced only for the Italian market and there were also the International Collection Models that Roco marketed in the early 2000s. In the meantime, here is the most comprehensive list of the available Gran Comfort coaches that I know of: http://gamos81.altervist...g/Italia/Carrozze/GC.htm Regards Mike C


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

5HorizonsRR		#3 Posted : 08 August 2013 06:37:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Thanks Mike! To correct you are right- I mean the earlier FS-specific livery of grey and tan, but with the "televisore" logo That list is a great help! It looks like most came in 2004/2005, although its missing the dining and other coaches there. So if you have a 2004 and 2005 catalogue that should hopefully solve the mystery
		SBB Era 2-5


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

mike c		#4 Posted : 08 August 2013 18:13:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,890 Location: Montreal, QC		I am pretty sure I have the 2003 and 2005 catalogs. I will look through them and see if I can find the info for you. I don't have any Gieffeci catalogs/flyers since 2000. If anybody has the 2004 or 2005 Gieffeci Roco brochures, hopefully they can check as well. Regards Mike C


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

5HorizonsRR		#5 Posted : 08 August 2013 18:52:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Thanks Mike! A friend in Italy said they were regular line, so should be in the normal catalog. Zero rush on this by the way. Much appreciated!
		SBB Era 2-5


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

mike c		#6 Posted : 09 August 2013 20:46:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 7,890 Location: Montreal, QC		The catalogs that I found here are 2001 and 2004. I cannot find the 2003 and 2005 ones at the moment. I will keep looking. Here is the relevant page from the 2004-2005 catalog from Lokshop: http://catalog.lokshop.d...04-2005/D/image_178.html This might help also: http://www.modellismofer...ario.it/files/2009_2.pdf More: http://www.modellismofer...ario.it/files/2006_3.PDF I was not able to confirm that Gieffeci offered any of these models as a set, but it is possible. As far as I can solve your request, the model numbers would be as follows: Bandiera Livery with red stripe and "TV" logo Salon Coach (2004) 45426 International (Catalog) 45426.1 Italy Gieffeci or International Collection Compartment Coach (2005) 45630 International (Catalog) 45630.1 Italy Gieffeci or International Collection Restaurant (2007) 45635 International (Catalog) 45635.1 Italy Gieffeci Additional production (2007): 45642 Compartment 45643 Salon 45644 WR They also released other models in other years with different FS logos, including the inclined logo: http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/ill5/lorg80.gif and the XMPR logo http://www.userlogos.org...fstrbstrtstr/logoFS.jpg, but still in the Bandiera livery. The matching second class coaches would be those available from Lima, Rivarossi and ACME, which are based on the UIC-Z (Eurofima) design. Those coaches were originally delivered in a matching livery, but with a blue stripe instead of the red stripe on the first class and restaurant coaches. See here: http://gamos81.altervist...g/Italia/Carrozze/Z1.htm Regards MC


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

5HorizonsRR		#7 Posted : 09 August 2013 22:20:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Mike, Thanks for the info! It appears they must not have been offered as a set (or all cars at once) when new. I'll have to start piecing things together then. Dealers in Italy seem to have decent stock on these so hopefully 1-2 of them can cover a full set thanks!
		SBB Era 2-5


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Bigdaddynz		#8 Posted : 19 August 2013 09:28:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		The 2013 Roco catalog can be found (for now) at http://uploaded.net/file/gh2ghf6q
		WWW BLOG
1 user liked this useful post by Bigdaddynz		BrandonVA
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

5HorizonsRR		#9 Posted : 15 July 2020 07:10:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,865 Location: CA, USA		Hi everyone- closing the book on a 7 year old thread! (and an 8 year search!) Today I finally completed a set of these coaches, which I couldn't be happier to own. Talk about quite the search! In the end I kept finding nothing, or a single car here and there, usually in europe with massive shipping costs so I would pass as 1-2 cars per year at $90-100 with shipping made no sense to me. In the end I guess the time worked out the same, but last fall I found a mixed set. The right cars, but various logos from across eras, and only 4 cars in total. Finally, the whole consist showed up in Australia on ebay. I now have a prototypical 6 car train as follows, which I share here for reference as it is a prototype check for mix of car type, adn all the roco numbers accordingly: 1 x 45426 salon car (no compartment) 1 x 45635 Dining car 2 x 45642 Salon car (with compartment) 1 x 45630 Salon car (with compartment) 1 x 45630.1 Salon car (with compartment) The ".1" is an italian market-only version, with different road number to the regular 45630 Now, if I can just find some time to run and photograph them soon. Work has me putting in excessive hours as of late
		SBB Era 2-5

2 users liked this useful post by 5HorizonsRR		Bigdaddynz, dickinsonj
User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

dickinsonj		#10 Posted : 16 July 2020 01:08:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,679 Location: Crozet, Virginia		Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Now, if I can just find some time to run and photograph them soon. Some photographs would be greatly appreciated, Thanks in advance. I have almost no time for my trains right now either and there are a few things that really need to be done. Oh well, I can't complain about being busy when so many people are bored, trapped or out of work here in the US.
		Regards, Jim I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains! So many trains and so little time.


User Profile View All Posts by User View Thanks

Users browsing this topic

Forum Jump

You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.