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Offline H0  
#1 Posted : 21 July 2013 09:29:33(UTC)
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Hi!
I think it was not discussed here yet: Märklin make a new frame for their H0 models of the EuroSprinter family (Taurus, BR 182, BR 152, BR 189) with four powered axles.

In the Märklin new items brochure they were announced with two powered axles only, but the Trix new items brochure already indicated four powered axles.
The explosion diagrams show four traction tyres, so tractive effort should be better.

No more gear noise. I hope the new motor will be smooth and quiet.
Another family of Märklin models with maintenance-free (but not brushless) motors ...
Ref. numbers for the locos are 39840, 39850, and 39860.
Regards
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Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 21 July 2013 10:00:47(UTC)
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I read in english edition brochure and it said '2 axles powered'.

But on Marklin database show '4 axles powered'.

Quote:
39840 on M database

Model: The locomotive has an mfx digital decoder and extensive sound functions. It also has controlled high-efficiency propulsion. 4 axles powered. Traction tires. The triple headlights and dual red marker lights change over with the direction of travel, will work in conventional operation, and can be controlled digitally. The headlights are maintenance-free, warm white LEDs. The engineer's cabs have interior details. The locomotive has separately applied metal handrails. Length over buffers 22.5 cm / 8-7/8".
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 21 July 2013 10:02:42(UTC)
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Thanks Tom,

Did any of these previously have C-Sine motors or did they have DCM?
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 21 July 2013 13:44:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Did any of these previously have C-Sine motors or did they have DCM?
BR 152 came with DCM, big C Sine and SDS.
BR 182/Taurus came with DCM, big and compact C Sine and SDS.
BR 189 came with SDS only (unless I missed something); maybe the Trix versions had other motors.
Regards
Tom
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Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 21 July 2013 19:45:27(UTC)
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I would like to see a ES64U (Taurus) type lok (MRCE) with the pantograph set up for D-A-CH like the ones that can be found on the Gotthard route.

If these models have 39XXX numbers, will they have SDS motors for Maerklin?

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 21 July 2013 20:46:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
If these models have 39XXX numbers, will they have SDS motors for Maerklin?
No.
39xxx means nothing nowadays (maybe they have enough SDS left for another limited special model, but they won't make new moulds to equip locos with SDS (well, just guessing)).

Regards
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Offline TimR  
#7 Posted : 26 July 2013 17:16:39(UTC)
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Due to my recent activities, it has been a long time since I made my last post ....

This topic caught my interest.
The Trix H0 database did specify metal body & frame, 4-axle powered, motor with flywheel (read: Can-type motor).

It's good if they finally decided to make a change.
Had they taken the easy way out, they could've just slap the old DCM back on the 2-axle powered architecture of this family.

It sure made this line-up interesting again for me.. (always been somewhat Era V-VI fan)
No more gear noise (read: vaccum cleaner noise), better (hopefully) pulling power vs the old 2-axle powered frame...
After all, as out of the other Era V - VI models, EuroSprinters always seem to get somewhat C-Sine preferential from Marklin.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

BR 152 came with DCM, big C Sine and SDS.
BR 182/Taurus came with DCM, big and compact C Sine and SDS.
BR 189 came with SDS only (unless I missed something); maybe the Trix versions had other motors.


AFAIK, no DCM Taurus from catalogue had ever been released - except for a few non-catalogue Herpa limited edition models.
39355 was the first official production model of Taurus, if I recall.

and there was never any BR189 in Trix H0;
I think Ma-Trix was indecisive back then - SDS has poor customer reception in Trix H0, while releasing a new model of Eurosprinter with DCM would had been a suicide in DC world.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 26 July 2013 17:26:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TimR Go to Quoted Post
AFAIK, no DCM Taurus from catalogue had ever been released - except for a few non-catalogue Herpa limited edition models.
There also were Trix models with DCM. Anyway they had moulds for a DCM version, but decided to go for a new mould.

Regards
Tom
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Offline TimR  
#9 Posted : 26 July 2013 18:28:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TimR Go to Quoted Post
AFAIK, no DCM Taurus from catalogue had ever been released - except for a few non-catalogue Herpa limited edition models.
There also were Trix models with DCM. Anyway they had moulds for a DCM version, but decided to go for a new mould.



You're right about Trix, since that older large C-Sine motor never made it to Trix H0....

Though I was merely referring to Marklin catalogue re Taurus; all the ones from Marklin catalogue are always C-Sine.

Anyways, 4-powered axles is always a good approach for Marklin to adopt.
Now just to wait whether they would start migrating this same concept to the other remaining Bo-Bo or Co-Co locos,
which arguably still quite detailed and recent.
eg: BR101, BR103, BR120, Re460, Re4/4 II, Re620... etc.
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 26 July 2013 20:17:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TimR Go to Quoted Post
BR101, BR103, BR120, Re460, Re4/4 II, Re620... etc.
BR 101, Re 4/4 I and Re 460 may be worth such a conversion.
BR 103 is so old that it deserves a complete new construction.

Trix made models of BR 120 with four powered axles and separately applied handrails at the front, but with a plastic body.

Regards
Tom
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Offline TimR  
#11 Posted : 26 July 2013 21:13:56(UTC)
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You're right about the 103.
To be fair, the metal body is a quite recent addition (early 2000-ish, if I recall?) - so generally still look okay to me,
although the frame is way too dated in comparison.

Add the Ae6/6, BR151, and BR111 to the list of "New construction model needed."


Trix BR120 and TRAXX - yeah, we're still waiting for Marklin to make the move,
would've made a good stopgap solution,
don't know why they still haven't offered it for 3-rail...Mellow
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 27 July 2013 01:12:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TimR Go to Quoted Post
Due to my recent activities, it has been a long time since I made my last post ....


Welcome back Tim! ThumpUp

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Offline Western Pacific  
#13 Posted : 27 July 2013 08:16:02(UTC)
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I wouldn't mind if they considered a re-make of the Swedish class Rc, or even better make a class Rd2. Of course with metal body, replacing the current plastic one.

Rd2

Rd2 1094 in Hallsberg 2011. Photo by Markus Tellerup.

Rd2 is an upgraded version of Rc2, where the power control electronics have been replaced as well as the computer control system. The class Rd2 can be run in multiple with class Re (German BR 185), but it is still a one system engine for 15 kV 16 2/3 Hz.

Applying a smart design of molds for an Rd2, I'm sure that Märklin also could use them for making class Rc engines. A modular design could open up for making classes Rc4, Rc5, Rc6 and Rc7, that differ in the exterior compared to classes Rc1, Rc2 and Rc3, which are the only classes Märklin has produced so far. (NB All Rc5 have been given new gears for 160 km/h and thus been re-classed as Rc6 and a few Rc6 were given new gears for 180 km/h and given class Rc7, but since there was no rolling stock allowed for this speed, they have all been re-geared back to 160 km/h re-classed back as Rc6).
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Offline danmarklinman  
#14 Posted : 29 July 2013 14:19:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TimR Go to Quoted Post
You're right about the 103.
To be fair, the metal body is a quite recent addition (early 2000-ish, if I recall?) - so generally still look okay to me,
although the frame is way too dated in comparison.

Add the Ae6/6, BR151, and BR111 to the list of "New construction model needed."


Trix BR120 and TRAXX - yeah, we're still waiting for Marklin to make the move,
would've made a good stopgap solution,
don't know why they still haven't offered it for 3-rail...Mellow


The Traxx would be very welcome. The current budjet one is OK, but a detailed metal one would be better. I hope that Brawa will do a Traxx 186 as they are doing athers now.
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