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Offline Lorene  
#1 Posted : 16 November 2002 00:13:31(UTC)
Lorene


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have been working on turnouts, signals etc and have only one more to complete the installation of all on my layout. When installing a 7041 signal coupled to a 5202 turnout, I read in a translation from German that says "when the green button is in the raised position, the signal show green/go; with a raised red showing red/stop." My question: I always thought if I pressed the red button on the control box, it meant stop and green--go; if I leave my setup to reflect my interpretation, will I be haunted by this? Will I have to make larger changes later or should I bite the bullet and make all the changes now? thanks. Lorene<img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 16 November 2002 00:26:57(UTC)
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If you press the red button, of course the signal should go to the red state, if wired that way. That is the normal behaviour, also logically, so I certainly think you have it right. Are you sure about the translation?
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#3 Posted : 16 November 2002 00:52:30(UTC)
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Juhan, Juhan,
I didn't think that of you <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

The translation certainly is correct, meaning, that it has always been Märklins advice to have it that way. Green button leaves the red button most visible -&gt; red signal or curved turnout. The old blue boxes had colour markings on the socket, assuring this too.

But Lorene, why bother? If you like it better the other way, and I admit it's also my own first choice, keep it the way you have it. I can only figure one single problem with that, and that is of no importance to you. If you in the future should use control boxes with feedback leds, usable only with C-track (and maybe K-track) turnouts, and signals from Viessmann etc, you will get the red LED lit when the signal is green, and the green LED lit when the signal is red. But, why bother, at that you you will have half a minute of work to switch the connections on the back of the control boxes...

Coming so far I decided to check things. I have boxes with LEDs, and to my astonishment (and embarresment<img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>) it showed that I'm lying.
Märklin has changed their mind! I'm still sure that in the old times, with blue boxes and probably the instruction you posess, Lorene, it was as I said, to the first socket goes a green plug.

The white boxes are unmarked. But with LEDs, the first socket should have the red plug, meaning that pushing red button lits the red LED, and sets signals to red and turnouts to curve. White boxes also don't leave any buttons up or down.

So, the conclusion of course, you should certainly leave it as it is, unless you find a certain pleasure with having it as it was in the 60's.

Regards,
Lars Westerlind.




Offline Webmaster  
#4 Posted : 16 November 2002 03:09:20(UTC)
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Lars,
I have always had the impression that if you want something to go "red", you press the red button... <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
And you tell me I got it all wrong... My whole 60:s childhood seems to be destroyed by this misconception... But I am happy anyway, since my wiring back then worked as I expected it to do... When I pressed the red button, the sole signal went red <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#5 Posted : 16 November 2002 10:06:30(UTC)
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Oh,
what a waste of a childhood. Fortunately it was not completely spoiled, compared to the poor younsters of today, that haven't ever owned a train...

Regars,
Lars

Offline Lorene  
#6 Posted : 17 November 2002 01:20:06(UTC)
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gee fellas, sorry I brought it up. Lorene (and yes, I confirmed the translation is/was correct)

Offline Webmaster  
#7 Posted : 17 November 2002 02:22:35(UTC)
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Dear Lorene,
Since I wired my only signal back in the 60's childhood the way you have done, I presume your wiring will work just fine... And it seems like it is nowadays the right way to do it anyway... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#8 Posted : 17 November 2002 14:32:18(UTC)
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Hi Lorene,
I hope you don't mean you are sorry? I'm sure you felt the amusement both I and Juhan got by you by raising this topic. If anyone should be sorry, it should be me, using too "light" language about the things that concerned you. Apologize for that.

Have fun with your trains; reports how they are going is always appreciated.

Regards,
Lars Westerlind.

Offline Lorene  
#9 Posted : 18 November 2002 18:33:49(UTC)
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I don't know if this is appropriate or not but I will share. . a joke. . .a waiter was taking a bowl of soup to a diner in a restaurant; he happened to look down at the soup and it was so awful looking, he decided to stir it to see if it would help the appearance. Needless to say, when he did, all sorts of ugly things came to the surface. He remarked, "gee, I'm sorry I stirred it." So, the joke around here is "I'm sorry I stirred it." (No, I'm not sorry I asked the original question.)
No, I was not offended, I totally enjoy the camaraderie shared by all on this website. Besides being enjoyable, I have learned a lot.
Another question: I am ready to affix by track to my layout table using screws provided by Marklin. There are so many, I wondered if anyone knows of a small electric screw driver I could use. I have a Dremel but the revolutions are too fast for these small screws. Lorene

Offline Thanos  
#10 Posted : 18 November 2002 23:50:55(UTC)
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Hi Lorene, all:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I am ready to affix by track to my layout table using screws provided by Marklin. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana" size=1 id=quote>

OK! I guess you are talking about MAR74990 screws set 1.6 x 13mm for C Track or the MAR7599 1.4 x 1mm for K Track. Well I used them a lot and I came up with the following conclusions:
<ul> <li>1. These screws are tiny, little, devils<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>! If you don't treat them right they will give you a hell of a time, especially when bridge pillars are concerned. A small electric screwdriver might ruin your day as they are very sensitive! Try the screwdriver that Marklin offers (MAR74999) or an alternative with crosspoint size 00 (Ph). Above all, see if you can get some REAL screws to do your job. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle></li>
<li>2. Use a 1mm drill to open the holes if you use C track. Also, don't overdo it. Sometimes one screw per track is enough. </li>
<li>3. Last but not least, before you start screwing things down, run all your locomotives around the track for sometime just to make sure that everything is ok.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle></li>
</ul>

Best of luck...


Thanos
Thanos



Offline Webmaster  
#11 Posted : 19 November 2002 00:15:54(UTC)
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Good advice, Thanos. But electric is more comfortable indeed...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Lorene, if you go to your nearest hardware store - ask for an electric screwdriver tool that can be momentum-adjusted so it "slips" when enough tension occurs. That way you don't have to worry about breaking the screws. These gadgets are normally powered by rechargable batteries. The Dremel is much too poweful for this kind of work... I myself don't screw the tracks, I intend to use hot glue instead... But for other types of work I use a rechargable B&D drill with momentum adjustment.
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Offline Thanos  
#12 Posted : 19 November 2002 08:27:06(UTC)
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Dear Juhan, Lorene, all:

Electric is definitely more comfortable! For the rest of my layout I have two electric screwdrivers one of them with interchangeable heads that can also be used as a drill. Well the matter with the MAR74990 screws is not as much the type of screwdriver and if it can be momentum-adjusted or not. The issue is the screw itself which according to my opinion is not 100% metal.



Thanos
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