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Offline charles Sharpe  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2013 19:19:44(UTC)
charles Sharpe


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Hello.

At last I have got my 60213 back from Marklin. I have a question I hope I can explain it so you understand it. The socket on the master cs 60215 for the slave cable is taken up by a 60125 which then has my boosters plugged into it. Marklin have told me to plug the slave cable into the single socket on the end of the 60125 NOT on the side sockets, but in that socket I have plugged in a 60124 cable to run MS 2 on the other side of my layout. So my question is can I put the 60124 cable into the socket on the slave unit i.e. 60213. The plug on the 60124 cable will not go into side sockets of the 60125 as it is the wrong type of plug.

Charles.
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2013 19:39:07(UTC)
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Hi, Charles!
Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
The plug on the 60124 cable will not go into side sockets of the 60125 as it is the wrong type of plug.
You should check the plugs again.

The 60124 has a 7-pin plug and the 60125 has four 7-pin sockets on the sides and a 9-pin socket on the opposite side. So it seems you plug the 7-pin plug into a 9-pin socket.
The 60124 should fit on either side of the 60125 where it has two sockets.

Regards
Tom
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2013 21:35:42(UTC)
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Hi Tom.

The plugs that go into the 60125 have to have the black plastic centre pin and the 60124 does not have that.

Charles.
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2013 22:33:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
The plugs that go into the 60125 have to have the black plastic centre pin and the 60124 does not have that.
My 60124 has this plastic centre pin.
Maybe you have a 60126 cable (79"), not a 60124 cable (about 5").


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Offline charles Sharpe  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2013 23:11:05(UTC)
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Yes I must have the 60126 cable as I have 2 of them pluged together and they go to the cable on my other 60125 at the other side of my layout. then I plug the short cable into that then a Ms2 into that.

Charles
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Offline clapcott  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2013 02:38:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
Hello.
......... Marklin have told me to plug the slave cable into the single socket on the end of the 60125 NOT on the side sockets.....


Charles,

Marklins statement is correct but incomplete.

If for example you have a CS2 with a number of 60125(terminals) and/or 60126(extension cables) running down your layout and DO want to put your slave CS2 at the FAR end then , yes, you do need to plug the 60123(Slave adapter cable) into the end of the last 60125.

If , however , you want your 2 (or more) CS2s side by side then the above answer would mean that you have to loop the end of the chain back to your main operational area.

The solution in this case is to plug the 2 x CS2s together with the 60123 and then commence your string of extension cables and terminals
e.g. CS2<9f> <9m>--60123--<6m> <6f>CS2<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f> <9m>----60126(optional)-----<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f>

This does not preclude you adding a 3rd CS2 (with a 60123 adapter cable) to EITHER ..
... the left of the first unit
... the end of the last 60125
... in the middle of the chain (but it cannot be out the side 7 pin sockets of the 60125, it must use the 9 pin socket)

Note: if any of the Slave CS2 are in the middle of the chain they must be powered on for the devices "past" it to work.
Peter
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2013 02:47:03(UTC)
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Confused Blimey, it would have been far easier if Marklin had used the Ethernet port like ESU did with the Ecos / CS1.

Talk about making a simple thing hard!
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2013 08:33:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Blimey, it would have been far easier if Marklin had used the Ethernet port like ESU did with the Ecos / CS1.
To some extend.

The CAN bus has to be terminated. The side ports of the 60125 are terminated and only allow for end devices with short cables. There are no extension cables for the MS2 as the cables after the termination must not be too long.

Same principle for ESU. They make it easier by using standard network cables, but termination must be observed.

Some may know termination from SCSI devices. Two or three devices will work even with incorrect termination - add a fourth device and you get sporadic failures.

Back to topic:
The 60126 cable has 9 pins, the plug of the MS2 has 10 pins, the 60124 adapter goes from 10 pins to 7 pins. You can connect an MS2 with the 60124 adapter to any side port of the 60125.
The 60126 cables can be used to move the 60125 terminal closer to the MS2. This ensures you have a properly terminated CAN bus.
Extending the MS2 cable with the 60126 (9 pin vs. 10 pin) could lead to CAN bus problems (communication errors between any devices, not just between MS2 and the rest).
Regards
Tom
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#9 Posted : 25 June 2013 09:05:30(UTC)
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I have never had any problems at all in the past But now the I have added 1 more booster and got the 60213 back I have no were to plug the long cable the come from the other 60125.

Charles.
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Offline Drongo  
#10 Posted : 25 June 2013 13:48:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
I have never had any problems at all in the past But now the I have added 1 more booster and got the 60213 back I have no were to plug the long cable the come from the other 60125.

Charles.


Sorry Charles - I just can't help myself. I know where you can put the long cable. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Regards
Greg
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#11 Posted : 25 June 2013 14:27:53(UTC)
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ha ha I asked for that.

Charles.BigGrin
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Offline jeehring  
#12 Posted : 25 June 2013 16:18:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Confused Blimey, it would have been far easier if Marklin had used the Ethernet port like ESU did with the Ecos / CS1.

Talk about making a simple thing hard!


I thought it was not possible to connect more than 2 Ecos together...Confused .
( at the beginning it was even not possible to connect another Ecos... only the sniffer could work with its proper limitations..then an upgrade came to allow 2 Ecos out of the sniffer... )
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#13 Posted : 26 June 2013 06:39:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
Hello.
......... Marklin have told me to plug the slave cable into the single socket on the end of the 60125 NOT on the side sockets.....


Charles,

Marklins statement is correct but incomplete.

If for example you have a CS2 with a number of 60125(terminals) and/or 60126(extension cables) running down your layout and DO want to put your slave CS2 at the FAR end then , yes, you do need to plug the 60123(Slave adapter cable) into the end of the last 60125.

If , however , you want your 2 (or more) CS2s side by side then the above answer would mean that you have to loop the end of the chain back to your main operational area.

The solution in this case is to plug the 2 x CS2s together with the 60123 and then commence your string of extension cables and terminals
e.g. CS2<9f> <9m>--60123--<6m> <6f>CS2<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f> <9m>----60126(optional)-----<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f>

This does not preclude you adding a 3rd CS2 (with a 60123 adapter cable) to EITHER ..
... the left of the first unit
... the end of the last 60125
... in the middle of the chain (but it cannot be out the side 7 pin sockets of the 60125, it must use the 9 pin socket)

Note: if any of the Slave CS2 are in the middle of the chain they must be powered on for the devices "past" it to work.


Hello Peter.
You have lost me on this.
The solution in this case is to plug the 2 x CS2s together with the 60123 and then commence your string of extension cables and terminals
e.g. CS2<9f> <9m>--60123--<6m> <6f>CS2<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f> <9m>----60126(optional)-----<9f> <9m>--60125(optional)<9f> If you plug the 2 CS together as per Marklin instructions you have lost the socket to plug the 60125 into for my boosters.

Charles.
CHARLES SHARPE
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