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Hello All, I'm trying to convert my 39160 insider loco into full sound with mSD decoder. However, I doubt to do it. The loco equipped with C-Sine motor. Unlike the DCM motor, there are many cable coming from a PCB board that are assembled with the motor. I know about orange/gray cable (NEM) or green/blue cable (Marklin) from DCM motor to decoders, but this C-Sine motor, have many cable and I don't know how to connect them to the decoder. Is it possible to install mSD/ESU decoder into loco with C-Sine/SDS motor? Anybody here have that experience? Could you please share? Please, I need help. Thank you before. BR, Sony Edited by user 29 January 2014 14:32:59(UTC)
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I have done a few c-sine conversions with ESU decoders. They have all been the 21 pin plug in decoders. You must turn aux 4 on all the time to power c-sine board and turn off motor feedback since the c-sine board does that already. On one conversion (39410) I had to remove the decoder from the loko to program it with the LokProgrammer since the c-sine card was causing some interference. ESU reports this too on their tech forum, but it is an unusual occurance. |
Matt
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DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397. |
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Hi! Originally Posted by: sikardon  Is it possible to install mSD/ESU decoder into loco with C-Sine/SDS motor? The answer is yes. But if the loco does not have the 21 pin decoder socket (like the 39160), then this can only be done with a special motor driver board. AFAIK this board is not available as a spare part. So for C Sine locos with decoder with DIP switches, the answer is: theoretically yes, but practically no. |
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Hello Matt, Tom, thank you for your answer. In my post, I forgot to mention regarding the decoder type in the 39160. Here is the picture:  And as Tom already said, loco equipped decoder with DIP switches, not 21-plug decoder type. No green/blue cable from motor like in my other loco conversion. Just as Tom said, if I want to do this conversion without changing the motor, then it is mission impossible?  Thank you again. cheers, Sony
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I have an E03 with this decoder and c-sine motor. I've concluded that if I want to upgrade to sound, the motor will need to be replaced with a LFCM from an old 3053 or 3054 and converted to a DCM with 60944 kit. |
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397. |
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39161 in DB Black and Red Livery also used a DIP switch type decoder,
but were there any other versions of the Franco Crosti 42 produced?
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Only 39160 and 39161 have been made by Märklin of BR 42.90 Franco-Crosti (it is not BR 42).
I've heard that there are minor differences between DCM and big C Sine in the loco.
You can get the E 03 with factory-installed sound. I would not modify the one with the big C Sine. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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I have not dug deeply into it, but the c-sine bogie in the 39573 E03 appears to be a modified 3053/54 bogie. The loko frame is the same, so a 3053/54 bogie will fit and allow the motor upgrade to the 5* DCM. Prior post was poorly worded. I should have said "bogie" instead of "LFCM". Or as Tom suggests, I've comptemplated just getting a later model of the E03. |
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397. |
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Hello All, Many thanks for your post. So, basically, if I didn't want to replace the motor, then it is impossible for me to install mSD into this loco. Even if I will replace the motor, it will be costly, and also I like this C-Sine motor, so quiet when running. Very sad, this insider loco, is without any sound, only headlight, cabin light, and running gear light...  , well at least this loco have many lights . Speaking about C-Sine or SDS, I confuse about Big C-Sine, and etc. I have 4 C-Sine/SDS loco, 37774, 39010, 39160, and the upcoming 39579 (still with DHL). Fortunately 2 of them (37774 and 39010) is full sound  (and the other 2, although it is insider loco, but no sound). How many types of C-Sine motor? Is 39160 have big C-sine motor? How about the other loco? Thanks again. Cheers, Sony
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In the beginning there was only "C Sine".
Then came "compact C Sine". It came with buggy driver electronics.
Then came Soft-drive Sinus. Basically the same as compact C Sine, but with updated (and better) driver electronics.
The driver electronics go between decoder (two motor outputs) and motor (six connections).
They said they changed the magnetic fields of the SDS, but I cannot detect any difference of behaviour between SDS and updated compact C Sine (with new driver electronics).
"Big" C Sine is inoffical forum speak for the original C Sine. |
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