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Offline charles Sharpe  
#1 Posted : 17 April 2013 05:50:54(UTC)
charles Sharpe


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If I was to add another section too my c track layout and I wanted too add a extra booster how do I go about it. There is only one socket in the back of the CS2 60215 unit. I have one of those service exchange units that Marklin did a few year back and I have a spare transformer.

Charles.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline Nielsenr  
#2 Posted : 17 April 2013 07:50:07(UTC)
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Charles,

You would use a 60125 Terminal Box. You plug it into the CS2 and it gives you four connections to the digital bus to attach your boosters to. You can also add another 60125 and connect it to the first one and extend the digital bus to even more devices.

Robert
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Offline SCWHIPPLE  
#3 Posted : 17 April 2013 15:10:45(UTC)
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Charles. I have an extra one if you want to buy it.
It is brand new. If you live in USA I could send it to for 50 dollars shipped. ajckids wants over 60.

Oh by the way, you would need to buy a booster too (which I do not have an extra of).
Boosters are pretty darn expensive! >230 dollars
http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/60174
So maybe you want to pass on that terminal...
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#4 Posted : 17 April 2013 15:19:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SCWHIPPLE Go to Quoted Post
Charles. I have an extra one if you want to buy it.
It is brand new. If you live in USA I could send it to for 50 dollars shipped. ajckids wants over 60.

Oh by the way, you would need to buy a booster too (which I do not have an extra of).
Boosters are pretty darn expensive! >230 dollars
http://www.ajckids.com/products/Marklin/60174
So maybe you want to pass on that terminal...


Many thanks for the offer. I have one which is feeding a MS2 on the other side of my layout so what I can do is to try that one and see if it will do the job I want before I purchase one. I have a spare booster and 2 trans as well.

Charles.
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#5 Posted : 20 April 2013 05:00:14(UTC)
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Hello.

Please can you tell me if I add another section of c track to my layout and I want to use a booster do I still have to use those red isolators on the track for that section. I thought I read some were that with the new boosters and the CS2/60125 that they were no longer needed.

Charles.
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Offline witzlerh  
#6 Posted : 20 April 2013 06:49:51(UTC)
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I know in the past that you had to isolate both ground and power but recently you only have to isolate power. My dad has a CS2 with booster (modern) and we only isolated power.

I am not sure if the brand new boosters no longer have to be isolated..... But how does one determine where a short is without isolated power sections? I think that the power still needs to be isolated.
Harald
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#7 Posted : 20 April 2013 07:05:59(UTC)
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Hello.
Not sure what you mean by ground and power. On my layout I have the booster on the lower part and up the ramp to the next level which is run by the CS2 I have put in the red isolators. All I have is the red/brown for the booster goes to the lower track and the red/brown from the CS2 goes the top track and I thought the red isolator was there to stop the power getting to each section. I hope this makes sense. It is 6 years since I put these in on the layout.

Charles.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 20 April 2013 07:34:49(UTC)
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Hi!

With CS2 and 60173 booster, you needed four red isolators at each track joint - with the newer 60174 booster you only need two red isolators at the inner positions (aka red wire), but not at the outer positions (aka brown wire, common ground).

You don't need centre rail rockers, but you still need isolation for the centre rail (two red isolators at the inner positions).
Regards
Tom
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Offline FrankF  
#9 Posted : 21 April 2013 12:45:35(UTC)
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Hi Charles

Take a look at this Marklin.de site :

http://www.maerklin.de/d...ml?page=1&perpage=33

Here you will find the "manuals" in PDF-format for many Marklin Digital Units, which show you pictures of how to install and use the 60173 or the 60174 Booster's
on your layout together with the CS2

The "Manuals" are in english language to, so take a look.


By using the Marklin 60125 Terminal you can connect up to 4 Marklin 60173/60174 Boosters to be used togehter wit your CS2.

Note: If you use the Marklin 60101 - 100 WA Transformer with the Marklin 60173/60174 Booster the Booster will produce 5 Amps output to your tracks.


On my Layout which is around 40 m2 i use the Marklin 60215 (Hardware 4.33) with a 60101 100 Watt Power supply to feed my H0-Layout

I have changed "all" my wirings under the Layout to use 0,75-1.00 mm wires to avoid any electrical problems.


I have been using this setup for last 1 1/2 year without any kind of problems at all.
CS3+ 60216 ( SW:2.5.2 ) / CS2 60215 ( SW:4.3.0 ) / MS2 60653/57 ( SW:4.28 ) / MS1 60652 ( SW:1.8 AP ) / 60883 S88 LINK ( SW:1.1 )
MDT 3 (SW 3.6.0) - HW: ( 60970 / 60971 / 60801 ) & ESU LOKPROGRAMMER ( SW 5.2.12 ) / ESU HW: 53451 / 53900 / 53901
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2013 17:21:57(UTC)
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I have just got around to adding the extra booster on the yard section of my layout. I have put a pair of red insulators at the start of the ramp which leads to the upper section. When I switch on the CS2 /60215 I get 2 messages come up. One is asking me if I want to update something and I know if I press yes it goes into limbo for hours and the other message is that the CS2 has a overload. Any ideas.

Charles.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2013 18:41:29(UTC)
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The red insulators have to be on the inner connectors of all tracks between booster section and main section.
Are there any feeders left from the main section to the new booster section?

Remove CS2 and booster from the track and check insulation with a continuity tester.
Regards
Tom
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#12 Posted : 10 May 2013 19:03:15(UTC)
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Hi Tom.

The red bits are just on the inside connecters of the track. There are no links from the yard to any were. What is a continuity tester.

Charles.
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Offline Drongo  
#13 Posted : 11 May 2013 04:37:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: charles Sharpe Go to Quoted Post
Hi Tom.

The red bits are just on the inside connecters of the track. There are no links from the yard to any were. What is a continuity tester.

Charles.


Hi Charles,

You sound like I was about a year ago - what's this and what's that. Believe it or not, after awhile you get to know things and you start to enjoy the trains again.

The "continuity tester" can be regarded as the good old fashion "multimeter" that electricians use. You can buy a cheap unit for about $10 which will do the job for you. I don't know the names of the stores in the states that sell them, however, one comes to mind - Radioshack - if they still exist, or similar. To test if you have correctly isolated the power from one section of tracks to the other, all you do is set the multimeter to "continuity" - i.e. turn the dial to the position that indicates "continuity" - the manual should show this. The window on the multimeter should show a "1" and when there is a circuit (continuity) the window will show a number like 0.000 to 0.005, or if your lucky, the multimeter will make a beep sound. You can test the multimeter by just touching both the red and black probes and you should see the result. Now to test the track for isolation - put one of the probes on the centre stud and the other probe on the centre stud on the other side of the red tabs. No beep or and change of number 1, then you have isolated the track. Simple.

Regards
Greg
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#14 Posted : 13 May 2013 21:29:15(UTC)
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Hello Greg.

I got a multi meter and set the dials as per instructions. I tested a piece of track as you said else were on the layout and I got a peeping noise. That told me the tester was working I then put the probes one each side of the red insulators and got on peeping noise or read out change at all. So that has told me there are no other rad to the sidings or yard. I did this with all the layout switched off. I am know at a lose why I am geeting that message.

Charles.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline Drongo  
#15 Posted : 14 May 2013 13:06:47(UTC)
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Hi Charles,

Try to see that the red tabs are correctly installed - i.e. that completely cover the pins so that no electrically connection can occur. Also, check that you are using the correct pins - i.e the centre studs which carry the current to the loco are the pins nearest to the centre of the track. The outer pins are the ground, i.e. the electricity back to the controller.

Regards
Greg
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Offline Drongo  
#16 Posted : 14 May 2013 13:10:20(UTC)
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Charles, I forgot to answer your question about when the layout is switched off.

The multimeter when in this mode is testing to see if there is continuity, i.e. is there a flow from one point to another, so the beeping will occur irrespective whether the power is on or off - the power for the beep is coming from the battery in the multimeter.

I hope this helps

Regards
Greg
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Offline charles Sharpe  
#17 Posted : 15 May 2013 04:51:46(UTC)
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I have checked the red covers ore on the in the right place and that they are fitted correctly.I also checked again today with the multi meter an the centre stud s and I get no bleep. There is no way I can have a link in there.Also what I have tried is taken the first booster out of it's own socket and plugged it into the 60125 and to prove the the second booster is not faulty is to put it were the first booster is and I still get the same message coming up.

Charles.
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Offline Drongo  
#18 Posted : 15 May 2013 12:53:13(UTC)
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Hi Charles,

If your multimeter does not beep then you don't have continuity and this means that you can put one power source on one side of the red tabs and another power source on the other side, i.e. both power sources are independent of each other. so you're on the right track (please excuse the pun).

Regards
Greg
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