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Offline PMPeter  
#1 Posted : 16 April 2013 05:03:28(UTC)
PMPeter

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Location: Port Moody, BC
After 35 years away from having a Marklin layout, I finally have started to build a new one. My nice unused mid 80s digital equipment is obsolete and I am in the process of buying newer obsolete equipment on eBay and other places. Unfortunately this leads to no manuals, instruction sheets and the like.

I find it astonishing how hard it is to find manuals and instruction sheets for a lot of the equipment that I am buying. I have been very fortunate so far and have been able to get some of the missing manuals through support from members of this site, but others so far are not to be found.

Google searches usually lead me to Dutch or Portuguese versions that are available for download, but rarely English or German. Why is that?

The most common Google result leads me to this forum where others have had the same problem, members have responded, links have been provided, the links have been deactivated, files are sent privately, and on and on it goes. I can only assume that this has something to do with copyright.

However, since neither the German Service or Technical Resource websites have a large library of older manuals or instruction sheets, why is it not possible to have a database of what members in this forum actually have? In another topic on this forum I read that this was tried and that someone attempted to sell the information on eBay. Unfortunate if that happened and that ruined it for the rest of us.

I certainly think it would be beneficial if somehow we could have such a database and wouldn't have to look over and over again as to where might I be able to get a copy of the manual for XYZ!

Peter
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 16 April 2013 05:58:22(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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See Steve Cook's thread for a similar, related thread.

https://www.marklin-user...95-Railbus-Brochure.aspx

As I point out in that thread, Juhan is working on a document repository along the lines you suggest, and will no doubt announce something when he is ready to.
Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 16 April 2013 06:11:26(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Location: Paremata, Wellington
Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
After 35 years away from having a Marklin layout, I finally have started to build a new one. My nice unused mid 80s digital equipment is obsolete and I am in the process of buying newer obsolete equipment on eBay and other places. Unfortunately this leads to no manuals, instruction sheets and the like.

I find it astonishing how hard it is to find manuals and instruction sheets for a lot of the equipment that I am buying. I have been very fortunate so far and have been able to get some of the missing manuals through support from members of this site, but others so far are not to be found.

Google searches usually lead me to Dutch or Portuguese versions that are available for download, but rarely English or German. Why is that?

The most common Google result leads me to this forum where others have had the same problem, members have responded, links have been provided, the links have been deactivated, files are sent privately, and on and on it goes. I can only assume that this has something to do with copyright.

However, since neither the German Service or Technical Resource websites have a large library of older manuals or instruction sheets, why is it not possible to have a database of what members in this forum actually have? In another topic on this forum I read that this was tried and that someone attempted to sell the information on eBay. Unfortunate if that happened and that ruined it for the rest of us.

I certainly think it would be beneficial if somehow we could have such a database and wouldn't have to look over and over again as to where might I be able to get a copy of the manual for XYZ!

Peter


Hi Peter, your point is valid and you possibly saw that I started a very similar topic just earlier today.

One problem with such a list is not only the time to compile it, but how to describe some items. Easy when it's something like a 6021 User manual, but other items not so easy. I have catalogued most of my library and it's a mission to keep up to date. And compared to some, mine is pretty small. Around 200 actual printed items, plus probably at least half that much again in scanned electronic form, and that's just the Marklin stuff. Don't start me on Faller and other brands. Yikes.

But, it's been my experience here that one need only ask and whatever they want is usually provided one way or another. Dave has already made the point that newer members can be like a sponge, they'll take everything they can get, and initially have little to offer in return. Not all of us have scanners, and even those that do often struggle with how to do a decent scan, choose the best output format, set compression correctly to balance quality vs file size, and even little things like scanning straight, or missing a page.

I have an old (like 15 years plus) but reasonably fast Canon SCSI flat-bed scanner, but it's only A4. Even then it takes on average 45-60 seconds per single page at 150dpi from the time I place the item on the glass to when the document is transferred to the PC. My much newer HP Scanner upstairs has a document feeder, and is supposed to convert to pdf automatically. It's USB attached, and is as slow as a wet week of Sundays, AND the output is inconsistent. I gave up on that one.

If you have a stapled catalogue or booklet for example, trying to sit them flat on the scanner is just a pain in the proverbial. I have taken to actually unstapling those items because it's quicker and more reliable. Smaller paperback style booklets with glued spines are probably the worst because they are hard to get to lie flat without risking damage and once the spine is cracked it's often not long before they start falling apart.

So as Dave (bigdaddy) has pointed out, it can take HOURS to scan even a relatively small amount. He and I have both done quite a bit, and I know other members probably have also. The worst thing is scanning something, knowing that somewhere, someone has probably already done it, but who's got the better version?

As I said above, I don't think anyone here has ever asked for something and not had it provided, but you do run the risk of information overload. If there is something specific you want, either relating to an item, or an area of Marklin technology then just ask, someone will be able to help.

What are you still looking for that has been eluding you?

Cheers

Steve
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Cookee
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Offline PMPeter  
#4 Posted : 17 April 2013 04:59:01(UTC)
PMPeter

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Location: Port Moody, BC
Thanks Cookee I certainly appreciate what you are saying regarding scanning and how time consuming that is. Depending on the equipment used it can be a frustrating task.

However, as nice as it would be to have a library of electronic documents, this was not even what I was referring to. My thought was if members could list the names of the manuals, instruction sheets, catalogues, etc. that they have in their possession along with language, whether scanned or not, and the like, a compilation of all of this information into a spreadsheet such as Excel would make a powerful list of what could be available if someone is looking for something. For example you state you have 200 plus approx. 100 scanned and I probably have 50-100, so allowing for duplication we may have 325 or more unique documents between the two of us alone.

Scanning would only be required if someone was looking for a particular item that a member has indicated he has in his possession. That way it would also prevent someone from downloading all the pdf files, burn a DVD and sell it for a profit. It would take an individual numerous requests to various members to get that information and I assume we would all not comply with a request to provide everything we have.

Just a thought.

Cheers
Peter
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