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Offline muddmover  
#1 Posted : 02 March 2013 00:31:31(UTC)
muddmover

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Location: colorado
Hey, Im just wondering if there is a way to make the central station wireless. By that i dont mean hook it up to a router, I've already done that. What i want is to connect the cs2 to a wireless dongle (like this one https://www.amazon.com/M...ds=usb+wireless+adapter) so that i can bypass the ethernet cable, and set the cs2 up in a different room from the router. Any help and/or suggestions as to what dongles might work will be appreciated.
Thanks,
-Jonas
Offline nevw  
#2 Posted : 02 March 2013 00:53:53(UTC)
nevw

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Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
I used D-Link DWL-G810. a single port wireless transmitter. it is about 3 inches (75mm) square with a small antenna. a power supply plug and a LAN port
uses a short cable to connect to the CS 2. I have done this when I was controlling the layout with software through the CS from my computer in another room (which had the router).
so obviously the CS was connecting to the router.
Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline tulit  
#3 Posted : 02 March 2013 00:54:26(UTC)
tulit

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Originally Posted by: muddmover Go to Quoted Post
Hey, Im just wondering if there is a way to make the central station wireless. By that i dont mean hook it up to a router, I've already done that. What i want is to connect the cs2 to a wireless dongle (like this one https://www.amazon.com/M...ds=usb+wireless+adapter) so that i can bypass the ethernet cable, and set the cs2 up in a different room from the router. Any help and/or suggestions as to what dongles might work will be appreciated.
Thanks,
-Jonas


You need to use a Ethernet to Wireless bridge type device. I don't know of any USB Wifi dongles that the CS2 has drivers for.

I personally use a TP-LINK TL-WR700N. For about $30 you get exactly what you need.
Offline muddmover  
#4 Posted : 02 March 2013 01:21:30(UTC)
muddmover

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Location: colorado
Originally Posted by: nevw Go to Quoted Post
I used D-Link DWL-G810. a single port wireless transmitter. it is about 3 inches (75mm) square with a small antenna. a power supply plug and a LAN port
uses a short cable to connect to the CS 2. I have done this when I was controlling the layout with software through the CS from my computer in another room (which had the router).
so obviously the CS was connecting to the router.
Nev


Thanks, Can you post a link as to where you got it though? I'm looking, but i can t seem to find it.
Offline nevw  
#5 Posted : 02 March 2013 03:58:12(UTC)
nevw

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Location: Murrumba Downs QLD
Originally Posted by: muddmover Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: nevw Go to Quoted Post
I used D-Link DWL-G810. a single port wireless transmitter. it is about 3 inches (75mm) square with a small antenna. a power supply plug and a LAN port
uses a short cable to connect to the CS 2. I have done this when I was controlling the layout with software through the CS from my computer in another room (which had the router).
so obviously the CS was connecting to the router.
Nev


Thanks, Can you post a link as to where you got it though? I'm looking, but i can t seem to find it.


That model has been phased out but have a look at these. you should be able to fine one to suit.
the Tp- link is good also. do a search on that or the following sites
NN

http://www.sparklan.com/...unc=view&prod_id=153


http://www.silexamerica....00/manual_sx_600_eng.pdf

http://www.thefind.com/c...eless-lan-client-adapter

you can also search Amazon for : wireless lan client adapter. Pages of them. read the reviews.

another solution is to use power-lan adaptors. these plug into a power point (you need 2) one to the cs2 and one to go to the router. Uses the power circuits as the Link. then no problems with IP Address setting up.
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Offline muddmover  
#6 Posted : 02 March 2013 05:19:47(UTC)
muddmover

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Joined: 05/11/2012(UTC)
Posts: 61
Location: colorado
Originally Posted by: nevw Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: muddmover Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: nevw Go to Quoted Post
I used D-Link DWL-G810. a single port wireless transmitter. it is about 3 inches (75mm) square with a small antenna. a power supply plug and a LAN port
uses a short cable to connect to the CS 2. I have done this when I was controlling the layout with software through the CS from my computer in another room (which had the router).
so obviously the CS was connecting to the router.
Nev


Thanks, Can you post a link as to where you got it though? I'm looking, but i can t seem to find it.


That model has been phased out but have a look at these. you should be able to fine one to suit.
the Tp- link is good also. do a search on that or the following sites
NN

http://www.sparklan.com/...unc=view&prod_id=153


http://www.silexamerica....00/manual_sx_600_eng.pdf

http://www.thefind.com/c...eless-lan-client-adapter

you can also search Amazon for : wireless lan client adapter. Pages of them. read the reviews.

another solution is to use power-lan adaptors. these plug into a power point (you need 2) one to the cs2 and one to go to the router. Uses the power circuits as the Link. then no problems with IP Address setting up.


Thanks!
Offline Nielsenr  
#7 Posted : 02 March 2013 09:00:39(UTC)
Nielsenr

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Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC)
Posts: 883
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
In the early 90s, we used Unix at my work. Unix was sort of the prelude to the current Linux that is used in the CS2. If memory serves me well, Linux is very modular in concept. Remove pieces that aren't needed to make a small but robust operating system. For Marklin to allow USB wireless devices, they would have to account for a multitude of drivers to account for all the different manufacturers that a user could possible try to attach which in turn would start taking up valuable memory space.

I had a thought recently and Googled Linux USB wireless drivers and did find a website that listed a lot of drivers for USB wireless devices. My thought was if you could find the driver for a specific device, you could load it on a USB memory stick in the directory that the O/S would expect to find it. Then you could download it in the same manner that you can download loco icons. After all, there has to be drivers in the O/S already for USB memory sticks, a mouse, and keyboard. The hardest part would be modifying the Linux config file. If you could, theoretically, when you then rebooted the CS2 with the appropriate wireless USB device attached, the O/S would load that driver and the CS2 would recognize it.

I never took this idea any farther ... I guess I was afraid I would screw up my CS2 ... LOL!!

If there are any members out there with more current experience with Linux and can show me any flaws in my thought process, I will be willing to admit I am wrong. Or maybe there is someone out there who has less fear than I have that they might screw up their CS2 and would go ahead and try it.

Any thoughts???

Robert
Offline muddmover  
#8 Posted : 02 March 2013 22:20:12(UTC)
muddmover

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Joined: 05/11/2012(UTC)
Posts: 61
Location: colorado
Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Go to Quoted Post
In the early 90s, we used Unix at my work. Unix was sort of the prelude to the current Linux that is used in the CS2. If memory serves me well, Linux is very modular in concept. Remove pieces that aren't needed to make a small but robust operating system. For Marklin to allow USB wireless devices, they would have to account for a multitude of drivers to account for all the different manufacturers that a user could possible try to attach which in turn would start taking up valuable memory space.

I had a thought recently and Googled Linux USB wireless drivers and did find a website that listed a lot of drivers for USB wireless devices. My thought was if you could find the driver for a specific device, you could load it on a USB memory stick in the directory that the O/S would expect to find it. Then you could download it in the same manner that you can download loco icons. After all, there has to be drivers in the O/S already for USB memory sticks, a mouse, and keyboard. The hardest part would be modifying the Linux config file. If you could, theoretically, when you then rebooted the CS2 with the appropriate wireless USB device attached, the O/S would load that driver and the CS2 would recognize it.

I never took this idea any farther ... I guess I was afraid I would screw up my CS2 ... LOL!!

If there are any members out there with more current experience with Linux and can show me any flaws in my thought process, I will be willing to admit I am wrong. Or maybe there is someone out there who has less fear than I have that they might screw up their CS2 and would go ahead and try it.

Any thoughts???

Robert


It sounds like a pretty sound theory. Fortunately, I managed to find a wireless repeater thingy that works, so I don't think I'll be trying it out anytime soon. However, if I ever find other devices that I might need, I'll think about it.
Offline NZMarklinist  
#9 Posted : 02 March 2013 22:33:37(UTC)
NZMarklinist

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Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC)
Posts: 1,757
Location: Auckland NZ
Originally Posted by: muddmover Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Go to Quoted Post
In the early 90s, we used Unix at my work. Unix was sort of the prelude to the current Linux that is used in the CS2. If memory serves me well, Linux is very modular in concept. Remove pieces that aren't needed to make a small but robust operating system. For Marklin to allow USB wireless devices, they would have to account for a multitude of drivers to account for all the different manufacturers that a user could possible try to attach which in turn would start taking up valuable memory space.

I had a thought recently and Googled Linux USB wireless drivers and did find a website that listed a lot of drivers for USB wireless devices. My thought was if you could find the driver for a specific device, you could load it on a USB memory stick in the directory that the O/S would expect to find it. Then you could download it in the same manner that you can download loco icons. After all, there has to be drivers in the O/S already for USB memory sticks, a mouse, and keyboard. The hardest part would be modifying the Linux config file. If you could, theoretically, when you then rebooted the CS2 with the appropriate wireless USB device attached, the O/S would load that driver and the CS2 would recognize it.

I never took this idea any farther ... I guess I was afraid I would screw up my CS2 ... LOL!!

If there are any members out there with more current experience with Linux and can show me any flaws in my thought process, I will be willing to admit I am wrong. Or maybe there is someone out there who has less fear than I have that they might screw up their CS2 and would go ahead and try it.

Any thoughts???

Robert


It sounds like a pretty sound theory. Fortunately, I managed to find a wireless repeater thingy that works, so I don't think I'll be trying it out anytime soon. However, if I ever find other devices that I might need, I'll think about it.


Jonas,

Does your wireless thingy also alow WiFi conection to an I Thingy for portable throttle, main station app etc ??

One that does both would be a good tool ThumpUp
Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 02 March 2013 22:54:52(UTC)
clapcott

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Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC)
Posts: 2,448
Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Go to Quoted Post
Any thoughts???

Robert


In another story from the early 90's I was involved in the certification process of modems for Laptops. As long as these were discrete PCMCIA devices, they could be certified in their own right. But when the modem functionality became an integrated part of the "system board" the certifying agency required the scope of certification to be the whole machine (i.e. under various adverse electrical, environmental and usage scenarios).

While admirable for there diligence, all this did, aside from increasing the cost of product delivery, was annoy marketing because they couldn't bring the product quickly to market - it was common knowledge that some competitors either didn't know or conveniently forgot about the Telco certification requirements (I appreciate that in this country there is a legal standing compared to other jurisdiction ). Also customers started buying direct from other countries (yes you could buy from the internet in the 90's... and being laptops, power adapters were less of an issue)

Maerklin have enough compliance issues with the electrical noise generated by model locomotive motors.
Anecdotally even the 6070 attracted the ire of the FCC and EC and that was only IR!
Our US colleagues may complain that they have to pay extra for a piece of suppression equipment that isn't needed in other countries, but that this what Maerklin have to do if they want to do business there (to be fair all the US manufactures have to (should) adhere to the same level of compliance).

If you extend this to the far more varied telecommunication requirements of each and every country you will be out of business yesterday unless that is your prime function. There may be a time when this feature is "required" by more than 5% of modelers, but it would have to get to well over 50% before it should get on the wish list to be seriously considered for integration within a product.
Technically, there may also come a time when the isolation of signals (track signal v wireless) within a control unit will meet the stringent levels needed , but until then I believe that having the transceiver a modest distance outside the box is a preferable option.

So I say Maerklin should stick to there knitting and continue forward unhindered by aspects that do not directly relate to Model railroading. There are so many vendors that are far better placed to cater with the wireless compliance aspect without it slowing down the process of updating a train controller.
That said, any entrepreneurial dealer who saw a desire by his clients for this could easily arrange a partnership with a local rep (cisco, netgear .... ) and package a solution.



Peter
Offline muddmover  
#11 Posted : 03 March 2013 00:19:54(UTC)
muddmover

United States   
Joined: 05/11/2012(UTC)
Posts: 61
Location: colorado
Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: muddmover Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Go to Quoted Post
In the early 90s, we used Unix at my work. Unix was sort of the prelude to the current Linux that is used in the CS2. If memory serves me well, Linux is very modular in concept. Remove pieces that aren't needed to make a small but robust operating system. For Marklin to allow USB wireless devices, they would have to account for a multitude of drivers to account for all the different manufacturers that a user could possible try to attach which in turn would start taking up valuable memory space.

I had a thought recently and Googled Linux USB wireless drivers and did find a website that listed a lot of drivers for USB wireless devices. My thought was if you could find the driver for a specific device, you could load it on a USB memory stick in the directory that the O/S would expect to find it. Then you could download it in the same manner that you can download loco icons. After all, there has to be drivers in the O/S already for USB memory sticks, a mouse, and keyboard. The hardest part would be modifying the Linux config file. If you could, theoretically, when you then rebooted the CS2 with the appropriate wireless USB device attached, the O/S would load that driver and the CS2 would recognize it.

I never took this idea any farther ... I guess I was afraid I would screw up my CS2 ... LOL!!

If there are any members out there with more current experience with Linux and can show me any flaws in my thought process, I will be willing to admit I am wrong. Or maybe there is someone out there who has less fear than I have that they might screw up their CS2 and would go ahead and try it.

Any thoughts???

Robert


It sounds like a pretty sound theory. Fortunately, I managed to find a wireless repeater thingy that works, so I don't think I'll be trying it out anytime soon. However, if I ever find other devices that I might need, I'll think about it.


Jonas,

Does your wireless thingy also alow WiFi conection to an I Thingy for portable throttle, main station app etc ??

One that does both would be a good tool ThumpUp

Yes. I had some trouble getting it set up to start with, but it works without a problem now. I have both the marklin apps. The only thing I've ever been able to find wrong With them is that you cant edit trains and layouts on the app.

Edited by user 05 March 2013 18:15:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Writhdar  
#12 Posted : 03 March 2013 01:56:46(UTC)
Writhdar


Joined: 19/12/2008(UTC)
Posts: 207
Location: Durango, Colorado
Use a dedicated router such as the Netgear N300 on the CS 2. I assume that the iPhone app for the CS2 is analagous to the TouchCab app I use on an iPod Touch with the ESU ECoS 2.

You can get the N300 at Walmart or Radio Shack

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