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Offline rrf  
#1 Posted : 09 February 2013 15:46:29(UTC)
rrf

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Hello,

I just acquired the 26577 Commuter Set with the V36 lok, three Donnerbüchse and a cab control car. The cab car has head lights and tail lights that are supposed to change direction with the engine, similar to the 43583 Bi-Level control car I have. Unlike the 43583 though the cab control car does not appear to have the mechanical sensor and switch that change the lights based upon direction. All I see from the outside is a pickup shoe, so I am now assuming some form of digital circuit.

When I place the set on my layout, my MS2 recognizes the V36 lok and it runs fine. But the cab car remains dark with no lights. I'm now wondering how the cab car operates and what if anything I need to do to make it work. The reason I think there may be something special about the car is that the box implies there is some special documentation for the set inside. Unfortuately all my set had was the lok manual and warrantee. I looked online and had no luck ... all I found was the manual I already posess.

So I'm hoping that someone from our group who has this set can tell me if I am missing any documentation. And of course any and all information about the operation of the cab car would also be appreciated!

Thanks in advance for you help,
Rob
Mackenrode Wende Bahn
Offline NS1200  
#2 Posted : 09 February 2013 17:26:17(UTC)
NS1200

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Rob,

There has been some discussion on a German forum called Stummiforum about this set and the apparent failure of the lights of the cab control car.
Conclusion reached is that the car has a Marklin factory construction failure and has not been put together in a correct way!
Firstly,there would seem to be no electrical connection between the pickup shoe and the PCB ("Platine" in German) inside the car!
This can be fixed by installing two wires as shown on the picture.
Secondly,possibly the clear plastic light transmitting tube may be installed upside down!
On the picture the correct position is shown.
All-in-all not a prober job by Maerklin and failing quality control,shame on Maerklin!
If you cannot fix it youself i would certainly recommend you to contact client support of Maerklin in Germany via their website and probably they will repair without charge.
What i understand is that the hood of the cab control car can be taken off fairly easily.

www.stummiforum.de/viewt...amp;t=70349&start=25

In short:

Detach the hood from the car.
Look at the PCB so that you can read the letters printed on it.
Pull a wire from pickupshoe connection left under to AB2 on the PCB.
Pull a wire from pickupshoe connection top right to A2 on the PCB.
Ensure that the clear plastic light transmitter has V shaped notch in the middle pointed downwards.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 09 February 2013 18:45:56(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: rrf Go to Quoted Post
Unlike the 43583 though the cab control car does not appear to have the mechanical sensor and switch that change the lights based upon direction.
The car should have a mechanical switch on the axle next to the cab (unless it was modified).

It's rather easy to open the car. Do it with the car in an upright position to keep the PCB in place. Spread the body of the car and gently press the buffers down.

In my car the lights worked without the extra cables - but the light was flickering.
With the two extra cables, light won't flicker as the built-in capacitor will be used.

See also here:
https://www.marklin-user...trol-car.aspx#post342908

I also added a piece of thin black card board under the roof to prevent the white light from shining through.
Regards
Tom
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Offline rrf  
#4 Posted : 09 February 2013 19:29:34(UTC)
rrf

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Thank you both, NS1200 and Tom!

I will open up the car a little later today and take whatever action is deemed necessary, based upon your information and the Stumi formum photos. I'm glad that this is a a problem that I should be able to solve without my set taking an unplanned trip to Deutschland.

I'm still a little confused though about how the cab car is supposed to work once everything is installed correctly. Is direction determined by a mechanical sensor? Or does the car contain some form of digital decoder?

Thanks again for the help,
Rob
Mackenrode Wende Bahn
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 09 February 2013 20:59:03(UTC)
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No decoder, mechanical switch: lights always on, changing with the direction.
Regards
Tom
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Offline rrf  
#6 Posted : 09 February 2013 21:54:39(UTC)
rrf

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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
No decoder, mechanical switch: lights always on, changing with the direction.


Awesome! That's what I had hoped. I actually want to use the cars and cab car with my red E69 Smile The lovely V36 is about to become a branch line freight lok.

Thanks,
Rob
Mackenrode Wende Bahn
Offline NS1200  
#7 Posted : 10 February 2013 13:21:19(UTC)
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Tom,

Only now i saw your comments of 22nd June 2012 on the subject.
The person who put these cars together (Hungaria?) must have made hundreds of them which are not functioning properly.
Perhaps she ran out of pieces of wire and decided to carry on regardless.
So,in theory,a lot of people who bought this set could be very dissapointed in Maerklin.
I wonder whether Maerklin in Goppingen have been directly addressed on this failure.
I think someone should tell them.

Alaaf,
Paul.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline biedmatt  
#8 Posted : 10 February 2013 14:38:40(UTC)
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Quality control seems to be lacking. I just bought the 2 1962 Rheingold three passenger car sets. Of the six cars, four were missing one of the electrical plates that go into the coupler pocket. Fortunately I was planning on using the current conducting couplers and those kits included the missing pieces.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline NS1200  
#9 Posted : 10 February 2013 14:50:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Quality control seems to be lacking. I just bought the 2 1962 Rheingold three passenger car sets. Of the six cars, four were missing one of the electrical plates that go into the coupler pocket. Fortunately I was planning on using the current conducting couplers and those kits included the missing pieces.


What are the Maerklin productnumbers please,should show on the Maerklin boxes.
Think you have 43873 and 43883,correct?
These should contain socalled coupling bars rather than the standard type couplings.
The coupling bars can be ordered as sparepart.
Each set has one coach with a pick up shoe.
By means of the coupling bars you should be able to illuminate all coaches.

Did you buy factory new from Maerklin or did you buy from a private party?

Cheers,
Paul.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 10 February 2013 15:18:51(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
I just bought the 2 1962 Rheingold three passenger car sets. Of the six cars, four were missing one of the electrical plates that go into the coupler pocket.
Assuming that two cars have a slider, this could be a feature. Each set of three does not need these plates at each outer end.
But this should be documented - and Märklin's documentation is not always second to none.
Regards
Tom
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Offline biedmatt  
#11 Posted : 10 February 2013 15:33:43(UTC)
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I got the coupling bars, but the electrical plate on the coupling bar would have no way to conduct power to the plate behind the pivoting coupler pocket because the "Y" shaped piece that ties the coupler bar up into the car was MIA. Perhaps they do not all need the piece on both ends, but I can't imagine Marklin would do such a thing since then the interior lighting would only work if the cars were arranged in a specific order and direction.

Sorry about hijacking the thread. I thought it would tie in to the quality issues the thread addresses.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline biedmatt  
#12 Posted : 10 February 2013 16:08:38(UTC)
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The piece in the middle was missing on 4 of the 12 coupler pockets.
The other two pieces are shown to show the relationship of the part in the current conducting couplers.

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Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline H0  
#13 Posted : 10 February 2013 16:08:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Perhaps they do not all need the piece on both ends, but I can't imagine Marklin would do such a thing since then the interior lighting would only work if the cars were arranged in a specific order and direction.
I don't have these Rheingold sets, but they did that with other sets.

Regards
Tom
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Offline biedmatt  
#14 Posted : 10 February 2013 16:11:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
I don't have these Rheingold sets, but they did that with other sets.


Interesting and sad really. A half cent piece is left out to save production costs.
This it the first time I got a set where they were not in every coupler pocket.
The instructions make no note of a specific order and direction to the cars, so if you just arbitrarily put them on the track, your interior lighting may not work. I'm not sure everyone would know how to figure out why they do not work.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 10 February 2013 16:38:04(UTC)
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Yes, they should have pre-installed the standard couplers at the "dead ends" to prevent configurations that do not work electrically (without extra material costs).
Regards
Tom
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Offline rrf  
#16 Posted : 10 February 2013 23:54:57(UTC)
rrf

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Hello,

With help from NS1200, Tom and whomever it was that posted the extremely useful images to the Stummi forum, I was able to make the necessary repairs to the cab car today. Once I added the two missing wires and fixed the upside down plastic piece, the lights came alive.

Sadly there was one other assembly defect I had to overcome. The wheels with the mechanical direction sensor were improperly installed and would not turn! So I had the pleasure of learning how the mechansim works ... the hard way. Upon removing the wheels the small metal piece that fits over the axle fell to the floor. Took me 10 minutes to find it :-) The wheels and direction sensor are now properly installed and the car works as it should!

Thanks again for the help!
Rob
Mackenrode Wende Bahn
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