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Offline dinhorail  
#1 Posted : 02 November 2012 13:38:24(UTC)
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dinhorail

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I'm new to the forum, but have been a Marklin user for more than 50 years. I still have a small analogue layout and use digital locos on it. I've just aquired a class 212 loco (2647) on Ebay which after lubrication is running happily but the headlights don't work. The bulb are fine. Is there anything I need to do on the decoder to get them to work. On one digital loco I had to change the lightbulbs to get them to work on analogue but this hasn't worked this time. Sorry to be a dinosaur as far as digital is concerned.
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Offline Danlake  
#2 Posted : 02 November 2012 13:41:49(UTC)
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Hi Dinhorail,

Welome to the forum!

I am sure some will answer you soon.

Brgds - Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 02 November 2012 13:44:12(UTC)
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Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

36xx locos have the early 6080 decoder which unfortunately has this characterictic. The headlights will only work in digital operation.

If you really want the lights to work in analogue operation I recommend swapping the decoder for a delta 66032 decoder, which is still available from Marklin.
Ray
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Offline hennabm  
#4 Posted : 02 November 2012 14:44:54(UTC)
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hennabm

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Hi

Welcome to the forum ThumpUp

Don't worry about being a dinosaur - there's no such thing here - if analog is your thing, then welcome to the club.BigGrin

You're one step ahead of me - none of my locos are for digital operation and my layout is to be full analogCool Cool

Mike
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What's digital?
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Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 02 November 2012 14:58:57(UTC)
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Hi Dinhorail,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 02 November 2012 16:33:37(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
If you really want the lights to work in analogue operation I recommend swapping the decoder for a delta 66032 decoder, which is still available from Marklin.
That would work. A cheaper solution would be connecting the light bulbs directly to the centre rail pickup instead to the decoder.
This change can easily be undone when you switch to digital operation.
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Tom
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 02 November 2012 17:05:38(UTC)
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Hi dinhorail,

Welcome to the forum.
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Offline RayF  
#8 Posted : 02 November 2012 17:20:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
If you really want the lights to work in analogue operation I recommend swapping the decoder for a delta 66032 decoder, which is still available from Marklin.
That would work. A cheaper solution would be connecting the light bulbs directly to the centre rail pickup instead to the decoder.
This change can easily be undone when you switch to digital operation.


Yes that's true. I should maybe have mentioned that option, but I was thinking in terms of retaining the light function in digital operation as well.

I bought a 36xx loco some time ago that had been modified in this way, and I had to attack it with a soldering iron to put it back into original condition so that I could control the lights digitally. I was not amused at having to do this extra work....
Ray
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Offline dinhorail  
#9 Posted : 02 November 2012 18:55:59(UTC)
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Thanks for the welcome and for the advice. I reckon I'll try the direct wiring option. I'll report in due course.
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Offline Paul59  
#10 Posted : 02 November 2012 19:49:59(UTC)
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Hi dinhorail,

I'm new to this forum too but the members were more than helpful with my query.
I'm also running an analogue layout with some digital locos on it.
It's nice to see someone else from Essex - I thought I was the only one.
Welcome
Paul
Marklin HO using M track. Now reverted to analogue as I find it has more character - and I understand it!
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Offline hennabm  
#11 Posted : 02 November 2012 21:20:31(UTC)
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Hi

Oh - and welcome Paul as well ThumpUp

Mike
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What's digital?
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Offline river6109  
#12 Posted : 03 November 2012 02:00:46(UTC)
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dinhorail, welcome to the forum and greetings from Western Australia,

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Offline GlennM  
#13 Posted : 03 November 2012 02:16:09(UTC)
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Welcome to Dinhorail and Paul to the Forum

BR

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Offline Ian555  
#14 Posted : 03 November 2012 09:35:33(UTC)
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Hi Paul,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.
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Offline Renato  
#15 Posted : 03 November 2012 11:49:51(UTC)
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Hi dinhorail,

Welcome to the forum from me too.

Renato
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Offline Renato  
#16 Posted : 03 November 2012 11:51:30(UTC)
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Hi Paul,

Welcome to the forum to you too.

Renato
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Offline TrainIride  
#17 Posted : 04 November 2012 14:14:21(UTC)
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Hi Dinhorail and Paul,

Welcome to the forum !
As you see above, all the answers are there .
My layout is also full analog and some digitally equipped locos are also running on it.

Best regards
Joël
Marklin HO - M track & C track - Analog mode - https://www.marklin-users.net/TrainIride - my channel : https://www.youtube.com/user/2mes2mains
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Offline dinhorail  
#18 Posted : 04 November 2012 16:37:51(UTC)
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dinhorail

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My loco lights now work. I've wired them from the pick-up shoe without soldering, so the loco can be returned to full digital if I make the transition in the future. I found that the power lead from the pick-up shoe had a joint in it with a plastic sleeve over it. I managed to push the bared end of a small diameter single core wire into the sleeve. I then bent one of the lamp pins through 180 degrees, pulled a short piece of insulation (about 5mm long) from a larger diameter piece of wire, and used that as a sleeve over the lamp pin and slid the other end of the small diameter wire into my new sleeve. Then reinsterted the lamp into the ground lamp terminal. I repeated this for the other lamp and tucked the wires in around the motor and decoder. I did it this way so that I wasn't putting any potential on the lamp output terminals of the decoder. I don't know whether this was necessary but as I do not understand anything about the decoders I thought this would be safer.

Thanks for all the welcome messages.BigGrin
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