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Offline jeehring  
#1 Posted : 30 October 2012 12:34:45(UTC)
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Confused Confused
Google was not able to help me, so....let me ask one question to German speaking users :

What is "entstordrossel" , as it i announced for 3.9 µH & 1.1 amp it is probably an electronic component , but which one ?
(from Google : "drossel" seems to mean "accelerator"......Confused )
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#2 Posted : 30 October 2012 12:57:52(UTC)
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In english you call it an "inductance" (it looks like a resistance).

There are different opinions on this item: some says that are mandatory, other says the opposite.
My opinion is that you need these components (usually are supplied with the decoder and connected in series to the motor connections) if the motor has brushes (the inductance reduces the noise and survoltages back to the decoder).
Probably useless if the motor is brushless type (but no problem if you installa them).
Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 30 October 2012 13:53:47(UTC)
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The word is "Entstördrossel" (noise suppression choke) and a Google search for "entstördrossel in english" finds many translations.

Those chokes can be used between centre rail pickup and decoder and between decoder and brushes (and, as eroncelli wrote, some leave them away).
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Offline jeehring  
#4 Posted : 30 October 2012 14:49:29(UTC)
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thank you everybody,
I intend to buy some.
On 37183 spare parts diagramm it is shown as a little cube....as a cube I've never noticed that "stuff" before...( may be it's an old design ?....or my poor old memory ? Mad )
#37183, Part N° 7 , see here :
http://www.maerklin.com/...rch/product_search.html?
I suppose it has 2 poles Neg & Positive , Or "input/output" Confused I'll try to find out how to mount it, but....any advice is wellcome !
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 30 October 2012 16:09:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
On 37183 spare parts diagramm it is shown as a little cube....as a cube I've never noticed that "stuff" before...
The diagram shows the analogue three-pole motor (Delta version) with the choke from the analogue locos (you should have seen that in any analogue Märklin loco).
There was only one choke with that type of motor.

Modern locos use two chokes that look like green resistors. Normally they do not appear on the spare part list, neither on the explosion diagram.
You can see them on the explosion diagram for 37542, soldered directly to the brush plate.
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Offline jeehring  
#6 Posted : 30 October 2012 19:19:38(UTC)
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...so, it is rather the form of a pellet , it is not a cube......
Offline eroncelli  
#7 Posted : 01 November 2012 10:55:58(UTC)
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The choke represented in 37542 diagram is an old version and made with actual copper wire around a ferrite core (ferrite is a special material with high magnetic characteristics): no special connection, no "plus-minus", simply two end wires.

Nowadays, these chokes look like a resistor, usually green painted, with the same round coloured marks.

In addition, old analogue locos used to have 2 ceramic capacitors (those light brown discs, one between the motor poles and the other between one pole and ground).

With digital decoders, interference suppression is still a problem (mainly with brush motors), but the solution to reduce the electrical noise is technically different, just because of a different motor connection.

In a diagram, chokes should be represented as "coils" (with or without the symbol of the magnetic core, represented by 1 or 2 lines alongside the winding symbol), but sometimes, for non literate, are shown as "rectangles".
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 01 November 2012 11:24:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: eroncelli Go to Quoted Post
The choke represented in 37542 diagram is an old version [...]
Nowadays, these chokes look like a resistor, usually green painted, with the same round coloured marks.
You should check the 37542 diagram again (new type of chokes, old type in the 37183 diagram).

Regards
Tom
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