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Offline 3rail4life  
#1 Posted : 17 October 2012 08:13:38(UTC)
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I was lucky on ebay for once and found this nice station. I think it is really cool even though it is a little bit before my time (my fun with Märklin started in the 60's) and I was hoping someone could tell me the year/version, I am thinking maybe 1953 418.8 ? but really not too sure. It has the textured paint and what looks like a 18 mark preis on the bottom. If anyone can help with more details, I would appreciate it.

418

418 b

418 c

418 d

I hope to make this the Hauptbahhof on a future m track layout some day.

Gordon
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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 17 October 2012 08:42:29(UTC)
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Nice old classic! ThumpUp
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Offline Mark5  
#3 Posted : 17 October 2012 08:59:51(UTC)
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Beautiful tinplate model.

I was really curious too, and was surprised when looking at pdfs of old catalogues that this first bahnhof was listed in 1937 and the last one in 1956. I made screenshot of the files, but from these you can't really tell the difference, except the colour difference in the graphic, but I don't know if this the graphic or really a difference in the paint on the model. In the catalogues from 1946 until 1952, the image appears only in black and white, but it does appear to be a lighter colour than the previous red-rose colour images of the model.

Has anyone actually seen two kinds of this tinplate model?

It does does say "Made in Germany" not "Made in West Germany"... does anyone know when this designation was changed?

For the record here are the shots in the catalogues by the years; 1937, 1939, 1940, 1947, 1956...
.... there are listings in other years, but I just post a range here below:
Mark5 attached the following image(s):
bahnhof1937.jpg
bahnhof1939.jpg
bahnhof1940.jpg
bahnhof1947.jpg
bahnhof1956.jpg
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Offline Ian555  
#4 Posted : 17 October 2012 09:32:46(UTC)
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Hi Gordon,

Very nice station. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Markus Schild  
#5 Posted : 17 October 2012 10:21:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 3rail4life Go to Quoted Post
, I am thinking maybe 1953 418.8 ? but really not too sure.


Hi Gordon,

I agree. 1953 or 1954 is a good estimation. Pre-war stations have a smooth painting and the last versions a rougher one, sometimes described as "rough plaster".

Märklin changed to "West Germany" or "Western Germany" in the early 1960s. Until the 1970s it was also a political statement to ignore the existence of a second Germany. Both sides did this. Also products from exported from the GDR were marked "Made in Germany", when sold in Western countries.

Regards

Markus

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Offline 3rail4life  
#6 Posted : 17 October 2012 14:46:00(UTC)
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Hi Ray, Hi Ian,

Thanks !!!

Thank you Mark for the showing the scans from the catalogs, I love that first set Drool can you imagine how cool that would be to have? from what I have seen there are three main styles of this station: the early with smooth finish and opening doors, later post war models without doors, and the last version 418/1 with updated windows and paint details

Markus thank you very much for the information, from my research, I felt that mine was a good guess, but with my lack of knowledge about early 00/H0, it is nice to hear from an expert.ThumpUp


Gordon

418

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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#7 Posted : 17 October 2012 16:48:44(UTC)
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I agree the station must be from the early 1950s. The pre-war stations do have much smoother paint (lots of lacquer) and the bases are painted a light brown color...the differences are very distinct. The color of the station seems to also be more salmon in color with greater shading on the roofs.

You have a great station

Best regards,

Paul

PS. The large train set referenced in the first catalog scan is HR 741 G / SLR 741 G....there are a few of the SLR 741 G sets in circulation and they normally fetch upwards of $20,000! I haven't seen an original HR 741 G set, but I'm sure it's possible.
Offline steventrain  
#8 Posted : 17 October 2012 18:06:31(UTC)
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Lovely, Good find Gordon.Smile
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Offline hennabm  
#9 Posted : 17 October 2012 18:11:41(UTC)
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Hi Gordon

A very nice looking station and one that will fit well on an M track layoutThumpUp

Mike
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Offline Mark5  
#10 Posted : 17 October 2012 21:57:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 3rail4life Go to Quoted Post
[...]

Thank you Mark for the showing the scans from the catalogs, I love that first set Drool can you imagine how cool that would be to have? from what I have seen there are three main styles of this station: the early with smooth finish and opening doors, later post war models without doors, and the last version 418/1 with updated windows and paint details
[...]


Looks gorgeous with interior illumination. Would really love to see with lots of people and interior furniture or blinds as in a bustling bahnhof.

What would be the way to go to have them stick? A pinpoint of hot glue from a gluegun?
No chance of damaging finish with a hot glue gun?

Let us see this on your set when you get a chance.
Cheers,
Mark
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...signaling systems, yard traffic and shunting, Sommerfeldt catenary,
and station architecture (esp. stations from 1920-70).
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Offline BrandonVA  
#11 Posted : 17 October 2012 22:10:36(UTC)
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Mark,

I would think white glue would be best if it would adhere to the surface (not sure), it would be least likely to damage and most easily removed.

-Brandon
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Offline 3rail4life  
#12 Posted : 18 October 2012 08:40:47(UTC)
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Thanks Paul , Steven, & Mike

and thank you Paul for the information and confirmation on the vintage, I have just started getting in to the 1950's Märklin so this is good step in that direction. Hopefully someday you will see that HR 741 G set, you know they are out there... somewhere.


Gordon

Offline 3rail4life  
#13 Posted : 18 October 2012 08:47:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MM-MarkMontreal Go to Quoted Post


Looks gorgeous with interior illumination. Would really love to see with lots of people and interior furniture or blinds as in a bustling bahnhof.

What would be the way to go to have them stick? A pinpoint of hot glue from a gluegun?
No chance of damaging finish with a hot glue gun?

Let us see this on your set when you get a chance.
Cheers,
Mark


Thanks Mark, the vintage working light was an added bonus, and yes someday I hope to bring it to life with people and trains but for now I have to focus on a C track project so this will come later.

Gordon
Offline GlennM  
#14 Posted : 18 October 2012 16:06:06(UTC)
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Great station, love the picture of it all lit up........looks great.

BR

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Offline 3rail4life  
#15 Posted : 20 October 2012 07:44:48(UTC)
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Thanks Glenn, I was amazed the the wiring was still good after all these years, now all I have to do is find a proper lamp for the clock tower...


Cheers,

Gordon
Offline dirk66  
#16 Posted : 28 October 2012 14:24:08(UTC)
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hello,

very nice station indeed. This is the version from 1952 with the rough paint and easy to be recognised at the open entrance next to the "wirtschaft" window. Earlier version have movable doors on that spot.

There is also a remodelled version from 1955 that is in grey and has larger windows on the first floor.

Also, for those interested, this building still exists today in Friedrichshafen and houses the zeppelin Museum .
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Offline 3rail4life  
#17 Posted : 30 October 2012 06:42:16(UTC)
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hello dirk66,

Thank you, and I appreciate the information , next time I am anywhere near Friedrichshafen, I will have to visit the Zeppelin museum.

Gordon
Offline Mark5  
#18 Posted : 23 February 2013 01:49:14(UTC)
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Just noticed a few more of these available on Ebay by the same dealer.

Let me know if someone grabs it.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/darbysaene/m.html
DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1955-65, fan of V200, electrics and steam... so hard to narrow down...
...signaling systems, yard traffic and shunting, Sommerfeldt catenary,
and station architecture (esp. stations from 1920-70).
In process: a new modular layout, track planning and drawing benchwork.
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Offline Mark5  
#19 Posted : 23 February 2013 01:57:41(UTC)
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BTW has anyone seen this before... photos of the prototype... and modeller who built his own version in Spur 1 ....
http://www.spur1.de/pioniere/saake/saake.html

DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1955-65, fan of V200, electrics and steam... so hard to narrow down...
...signaling systems, yard traffic and shunting, Sommerfeldt catenary,
and station architecture (esp. stations from 1920-70).
In process: a new modular layout, track planning and drawing benchwork.
Email anytime or chat live: https://discord.gg/jAEKyTWQPQ
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Offline 3rail4life  
#20 Posted : 23 February 2013 18:09:33(UTC)
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Cool links Mark, thanks for posting
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Offline Yumgui  
#21 Posted : 23 February 2013 21:45:24(UTC)
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Have two of these great stations ... and still wondering how to best place them ...

Great thread Gordon ThumpUp

And great information Mark ThumpUp

Thanks,

Y Tongue
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Offline 3rail4life  
#22 Posted : 03 March 2013 06:14:27(UTC)
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Hi Yum!

ThanksThumpUp , I did manage to find a temporary use for the station during the Holidays, hope to find a platform to go with it, one of these days...

Bahnhof

Gordon
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Offline Soest  
#23 Posted : 15 February 2022 21:16:15(UTC)
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Friedrichshafen Station

Forgive me for reviving an old thread but I purchased a 418 recently and was trying to find out more about it. As you can see from the picture the walls are salmon colour - thick lacquer. The base is grey and the roof is copper/red with green splotches. The walls are pressed to the based rather than with tabs as in later models. There is no Marklin stamp on the bottom of the base. I think it is either pre-war or early post war. Any thoughts?

Mike
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