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guiverc		#1 Posted : 13 August 2012 17:20:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Howdy Folks [[[ More work rebuilding a (ignored 20 years) marklin train layout. ]]] Question 1 - SPRINGS for turnouts-points M track various (5202/5117/5137/5140/5128/5207/5221) Many have badly damaged springs, some 2nd hand points I've purchased contain NO springs when taken out of packaging. Does anyone have a MARKLIN PART-NUMBER so I can order some more springs for points ? Alternatively a clue as to where/what I can use as a substitute if its a good idea. (ps: if someone knows of a good place to order parts - found an australian reseller, but parts don't leave marklin till marklin have $5000 of orders (so I was told) which reseller told me can be a LONG LONG time. Parts I currently want (globes, springs, brushes, tyres) are easy for mailing!) Question 2 - 3028 (blue-cream rail car/coach) only goes single direction (should this be on seperate topic ? seems as waste so included it in this?) 3028 operates fine one direction, reversing (on pulse) appears normal. But when you apply current/power only its lights glow & no movement. Its headlights have reversed, as current is increased it makes a slight noise (electrical, almost buzz??) that reminds me as if its trying to reverse direction but insufficient current? Also possibly significant, sometimes it actually goes the WRONG direction (opposite to its headlights) slowly before coming to stop (on its own). Only does this sometimes, mostly it just stays still with lights reflecting (white front, red rear) the direction it SHOULD be travelling. Reverse pulse again, and 3028 goes perfectly in its good direction. Any clues as to potential problem, and clues as to what to do about fixing ? With much thanks Chris g.


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kweekalot		#2 Posted : 13 August 2012 18:57:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,476 Location: Holland		Hi Chris, These springs for M track turnouts are very easily available, Marklin item 353080, and cost only a few cents. There are many new one's for sale on ebay. Look fore: "federn für M Gleis weichen" (that is German). Marco EDIT: These 353080 springs are officially for manual M track turnout points, but work without problems on other M track turnouts. kweekalot attached the following image(s):
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cookee_nz		#3 Posted : 14 August 2012 07:07:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,991 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: guiverc Howdy Folks [[[ More work rebuilding a (ignored 20 years) marklin train layout. ]]] Question 1 - SPRINGS for turnouts-points M track various (5202/5117/5137/5140/5128/5207/5221) Many have badly damaged springs, some 2nd hand points I've purchased contain NO springs when taken out of packaging. Does anyone have a MARKLIN PART-NUMBER so I can order some more springs for points ? Alternatively a clue as to where/what I can use as a substitute if its a good idea. (ps: if someone knows of a good place to order parts - found an australian reseller, but parts don't leave marklin till marklin have $5000 of orders (so I was told) which reseller told me can be a LONG LONG time. Parts I currently want (globes, springs, brushes, tyres) are easy for mailing!) (snip) With much thanks Chris g. Chris, you might want to try (Link to) Toot Toot here in NZ, they are VERY Ozzie-friendly, and speak (almost) the same language, just make sure you specify you only want a "half-dozen", that other word just causes big confusion between the AustraliaNZ!! They hold good stocks of small parts like this and you'll probably have them within a week given that all mail leaves NZ airmail anyway. HTH Cookee Wellington
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sprogger		#4 Posted : 14 August 2012 07:37:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: Sydney, Australia		Hi Chris Or try Nick or Brent in Sydney at http://www.traintrader.com.au/ Cheers Sprogger

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cookee_nz		#5 Posted : 14 August 2012 08:00:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,991 Location: Paremata, Wellington		Originally Posted by: guiverc Howdy Folks [[[ More work rebuilding a (ignored 20 years) marklin train layout. ]]] (snip - easier to separate the topics) Question 2 - 3028 (blue-cream rail car/coach) only goes single direction 3028 operates fine one direction, reversing (on pulse) appears normal. But when you apply current/power only its lights glow & no movement. Its headlights have reversed, as current is increased it makes a slight noise (electrical, almost buzz??) that reminds me as if its trying to reverse direction but insufficient current? Also possibly significant, sometimes it actually goes the WRONG direction (opposite to its headlights) slowly before coming to stop (on its own). Only does this sometimes, mostly it just stays still with lights reflecting (white front, red rear) the direction it SHOULD be travelling. Reverse pulse again, and 3028 goes perfectly in its good direction. Any clues as to potential problem, and clues as to what to do about fixing ? With much thanks Chris g. So let me get this right - you are saying it always reliably goes in one direction (let's call it forward) without problems? I just want to understand the distinction between 'wrong' direction and reverse. It seems you are saying that the only time it will reverse, it when it is actually meant to go forward, and with the lights on for Forward, but that it also only runs in the reverse (wrong) direction for a short distance before stopping?? I'm assuming we are talking a standard mechanical reverse unit?, no modifications to add an electronic reverse or a digital decoder? - I guess you don't recall if it worked correctly before being stored away? I reckon your 3028 may be equipped with one of the older style 'Drum contact' Reverse Units, at least that's what my parts page is indicating and these operate a little differently. Assuming we are starting from forward direction.... 1st Reverse Pulse - lights only 2nd Reverse Pulse - changes direction (reverse) 3rd Reverse Pulse - lights only 4th Reverse Pulse - changes direction (forward) It sure sounds electrical, possibly a short-circuit, or a bad connection, possibly the reverse winding for the field-magnet is defective or that portion of the reverse unit is not making good contact. Sometimes all it takes is to remove the body and watch the operation of the reverse unit in action, then with a small screwdriver, or maybe something like a toothpick, just carefully press on different areas where contact is made, reverse unit, wires etc and see if anything changes - that can help isolate the problem. Can I point you to the excellent Marklin Service Manual download (scroll down to 'Technical Manuals' - the site is Spanish but the book is English) as this contains a very helpful troubleshooting section along with typical wiring diagrams etc which should help you (in fact, grab all the manuals you can while you are there) Let us know how you get on. If you have no joy and you are half-tech-savvy, and have a digital camera or phone that takes short movie clips, record what it's doing, post it to YouTube and give us the link, we'l have it nailed in no time. Regards Cookee Wellington
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guiverc		#6 Posted : 14 August 2012 10:32:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Hi Chris, These springs for M track turnouts are very easily available, Marklin item 353080, and cost only a few cents. There are many new one's for sale on ebay. Look fore: "federn für M Gleis weichen" [soft springs for M track]. Marco EDIT: These 353080 springs are officially for manual M track turnout points, but work without problems on other M track turnouts. Thanks Marco Nathan's Trains (australia) can now order the parts where I supply part numbers. (sprogger: no reply from two emails to traintrader.com.au) Tried looking on ebay - only response for 353080 was packs nylon globes from italy, can you please confirm part numbers - or what search string you found them on.


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guiverc		#7 Posted : 14 August 2012 10:40:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: guiverc Question 1 - SPRINGS for turnouts-points M track various (5202/5117/5137/5140/5128/5207/5221) .. if someone knows of a good place to order parts .. (snip) Chris, you might want to try (Link to) Toot Toot here in NZ, they are VERY Ozzie-friendly, and speak (almost) the same language, just make sure you specify you only want a "half-dozen", that other word just causes big confusion between the AustraliaNZ!! They hold good stocks of small parts like this and you'll probably have them within a week given that all mail leaves NZ airmail anyway. HTH Cookee Wellington Thanks heaps Cookee LOL - would make great effort automatically to avoid hearing a kiwi say that number. In this case I'm lucky - as want more like 20-30, wanting to have some spares beyond those I need. Thanks for link - appreciated, Chris g.


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guiverc		#8 Posted : 14 August 2012 12:07:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Originally Posted by: cookee_nz So let me get this right - you are saying it always reliably goes in one direction (let's call it forward) without problems? I just want to understand the distinction between 'wrong' direction and reverse. It seems you are saying that the only time it will reverse, it when it is actually meant to go forward, and with the lights on for Forward, but that it also only runs in the reverse (wrong) direction for a short distance before stopping?? I'm assuming we are talking a standard mechanical reverse unit?, no modifications to add an electronic reverse or a digital decoder? - I guess you don't recall if it worked correctly before being stored away? I reckon your 3028 may be equipped with one of the older style 'Drum contact' Reverse Units, at least that's what my parts page is indicating and these operate a little differently. Assuming we are starting from forward direction.... 1st Reverse Pulse - lights only 2nd Reverse Pulse - changes direction (reverse) 3rd Reverse Pulse - lights only 4th Reverse Pulse - changes direction (forward) It sure sounds electrical, possibly a short-circuit, or a bad connection, possibly the reverse winding for the field-magnet is defective or that portion of the reverse unit is not making good contact. Sometimes all it takes is to remove the body and watch the operation of the reverse unit in action, then with a small screwdriver, or maybe something like a toothpick, just carefully press on different areas where contact is made, reverse unit, wires etc and see if anything changes - that can help isolate the problem. Can I point you to the excellent Marklin Service Manual download (scroll down to 'Technical Manuals' - the site is Spanish but the book is English) as this contains a very helpful troubleshooting section along with typical wiring diagrams etc which should help you (in fact, grab all the manuals you can while you are there) Let us know how you get on. If you have no joy and you are half-tech-savvy, and have a digital camera or phone that takes short movie clips, record what it's doing, post it to YouTube and give us the link, we'l have it nailed in no time. Regards Cookee Wellington Sorry Cookee - I'm better at numbers than I am at language. Also retired medically, so limited income so phone is old & no digital moving camera. Will try again. Yes its old - purchased mid 1980s - no digital or modifications. Working fine when boxed away. /* UPDATE - saving message as is; INCOMPLETE / / hopefully what I suspect I just saw will provide answer/clue / / jump to end for now, or JUST IGNORE THIS MESSAGE */ // I may have answer OR i'll continue with message if its a dead end [move 1 - forward] Direction 1 - all is correct, lights indicate direction of travel (white @ front, red @ rear) & it goes correct forward direction. [reverse & try to go opposite direction; should be backwards] Reverse engine (with pulse). (sounds & acts normal on pulse) Lights have reversed ; by increasing power on controller lights get brighter as they should. Lights @ end that was white for forward on 'move 1' is now red & vice versa. Mostly in this position though - rail car will not move. On occasion it moves slightly in the forward direction (travelling in direction in same direction as forward but now with red lights at the "front" and white at "rear". Speed is approximately that reflected by current being fed engine but it'll never move more than 2-4 rail lengths before stopping. (of note: if power is greater, its seems to stop quicker (1-2 tracks), if lesser power on the occasions when it moves forward (should be going backwards) it will go forwards 2-4 track lengths; but always in forward direction with red lights at the front) [stop power - reverse & return to travelling forward] By reversing (larger pulse) it returns to going forward, with white @ front, red lights @ rear. Lights correctly change to reflect reversing pulse. When it should be going backwards; it mostly refuses to move - sometimes travels forwards (but only a short distance; the greater the power the shorter the distance). When its "refusing to go backwards" while its not loud, there appears to be a noise that reminds me of the noise you hear on reversing - but is very quiet, and could be normal operation sound that I can only hear because its stationary. Mechanically I'm beginner - haven't touched 3095 yet as have to work out what the "gear" is. The technical reference you pointed to may provide me clues (thank you - i expected a .pdf, but found a directory with lots of .JPeGs which represent each page - is this the correct "technical reference" ?? Looking at it (open), everything appears to work correctly. I've attempted to prod looking for something wrong, can't see it. Reversing unit appears valid; wires match other locos, and all appear attached. I don't know how marklin locos go, as I thought motors used DC only, and polarity of current dictated direction of movement in motor (this is left over memories from high school so i'm possibly way off; was a programmer by trade). Quick exploration with multimeter didn't find anything wrong with leads - but I don't understand what the "reversing unit" does to the power that makes the unit go in the opposite direction. // STOPPING NOW .. was probing with multimeter again and I think its wheels appeared to go backwards. // driving wheels were lifted above track as I probed with multimeter and listened to get detail for this message // fell off my temporary "jack" so will have to setup again, and confirm which direction wheels moved // could be I have answer - if I don't I'll continue writing. Chris g


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kweekalot		#9 Posted : 14 August 2012 12:35:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 3,476 Location: Holland		Originally Posted by: guiverc ... can you please confirm part numbers - or what search string you found them on. Hi Chris, Yes, I'm 1000 % sure on that item number. You can buy millions if you want Look on Ebay.de, and federn für M Gleis weichen... or zugfedern für M Gleis weichen or Maerklin Ersatz Federn Weichen 353080 Or here: http://www.bahnhoefle.de...in/iboshop.cgi?showd5240!270,392987918,353080 Marco
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guiverc		#10 Posted : 14 August 2012 12:43:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Originally Posted by: kweekalot Originally Posted by: guiverc ... can you please confirm part numbers - or what search string you found them on. Hi Chris, Yes, I'm 1000 % sure on that item number. Look on Ebay.de, and federn für M Gleis weichen... or zugfedern für M Gleis weichen or Maerklin Ersatz Federn Weichen 353080 Or here: http://www.bahnhoefle.de...in/iboshop.cgi?showd5240!270,392987918,353080 Marco Thanks Marco Will order some tomorrow. Chris g.


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guiverc		#11 Posted : 14 August 2012 12:53:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		3028 running around the track. Was a DRY JOINT (solder no longer letting electrical current through). Touched the probe of the multimeter on the tiny wire of the transformer; missing the solder join & engine sparked to life. So found soldering iron, and just touched the solder on that connection and its working again. Thanks people for help, especially cookee_nz for 3028 help & kweekalot for part number for replacement point springs. Chris g.


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RayF		#12 Posted : 14 August 2012 13:09:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Chris, Glad you got it running in both directions! I like the 3028 railcars. I have a 3428 red delta version. Does yours have the matching coach/trailer (4028)?
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guiverc		#13 Posted : 14 August 2012 16:04:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2012(UTC) Posts: 47 Location: melbourne		Originally Posted by: RayF Hi Chris, Glad you got it running in both directions! I like the 3028 railcars. I have a 3428 red delta version. Does yours have the matching coach/trailer (4028)? Thanks RayF & Yes (have 4028 trailer). Didn't realize their was a red (3428) version.


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