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I_love_Marklin_37538		#1 Posted : 28 June 2012 14:08:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2008(UTC) Posts: 957 Location: ,		I have decided to order the M 37493 but I was wondering is there any difference between the GG1 from Marklin and the GG1 from MTH?


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foumaro		#2 Posted : 28 June 2012 19:05:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		What is MTH?


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kbvrod		#3 Posted : 28 June 2012 19:51:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Originally Posted by: foumaro What is MTH? Mike's Train House: http://www.mthtrains.com/

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DamonKelly		#4 Posted : 29 June 2012 11:09:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,423 Location: Brisbane, QLD		GG-1 At a quick glance: Digitally controlled pantographs Digital uncouplers Lots of colour choices, too. Proto-Sound 3E+ is their series suitable for Märklin centre-rail, but with DCC.
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Marius in Africa		#5 Posted : 29 June 2012 14:37:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: DamonKelly GG-1 At a quick glance: Digitally controlled pantographs Digital uncouplers Lots of colour choices, too. Proto-Sound 3E+ is their series suitable for Märklin centre-rail, but with DCC. Hi Damon A real pity that most of the MTh stuff require a minimum radius of 18" (457 mm), I believe it to be a hurdle for most Marklin based layouts. Not withstanding i did order an SD70ACe and two GP35 units from them. I would have loved to be able to collect more USA type loco's other than the handful that Marklin re-release from time to time. Regards
		Marius in Africa HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.


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foumaro		#6 Posted : 29 June 2012 14:39:10(UTC) Retweet
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DamonKelly		#7 Posted : 29 June 2012 16:30:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,423 Location: Brisbane, QLD		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Originally Posted by: DamonKelly GG-1 At a quick glance: Digitally controlled pantographs Digital uncouplers Lots of colour choices, too. Proto-Sound 3E+ is their series suitable for Märklin centre-rail, but with DCC. Hi Damon A real pity that most of the MTh stuff require a minimum radius of 18" (457 mm), I believe it to be a hurdle for most Marklin based layouts. Not withstanding i did order an SD70ACe and two GP35 units from them. I would have loved to be able to collect more USA type loco's other than the handful that Marklin re-release from time to time. Regards Indeed. I've ordered an SD70ACe. They claim it will be compatible with R1, but I'll believe that when I actually have the loco in my hands.
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Western Pacific		#8 Posted : 29 June 2012 20:39:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 841 Location: Lidingö, Sweden		Originally Posted by: DamonKelly Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Originally Posted by: DamonKelly GG-1 At a quick glance: Digitally controlled pantographs Digital uncouplers Lots of colour choices, too. Proto-Sound 3E+ is their series suitable for Märklin centre-rail, but with DCC. Hi Damon A real pity that most of the MTh stuff require a minimum radius of 18" (457 mm), I believe it to be a hurdle for most Marklin based layouts. Not withstanding i did order an SD70ACe and two GP35 units from them. I would have loved to be able to collect more USA type loco's other than the handful that Marklin re-release from time to time. Regards Indeed. I've ordered an SD70ACe. They claim it will be compatible with R1, but I'll believe that when I actually have the loco in my hands. I've also ordered an SD70ACe with UP livery and nobody would be more happy than I, if it were to be true that it can negotiats R1. However when looking in the Busch/MTH catalog ( http://www.busch-model.c...spekte/2012/2012-mth.pdf ) it is stated on page 9 "Befahrbarer Gleisbogen ab Mindestradius 457 mm" which means that it can be driven on curves with a radius from 457 mm. I hope you are right, but if not, then I will have to either 1) see if it can be modified to negotiate R1 (360 mm) or least to negotiate R2 (437.5 mm). The 19.5 mm missing might be a "piece of cake" to get around. Or 2) make sure that I design my new layout to have at least one section with only R3 (or greater and that also in hidden parts). Option 2) might actually be the better one and also be able to use that section for TGV and ICE trains, that clearly look better in wider curves. If it were to be used by TGV and ICE as well, then visible parts of that section will have catenary and I'll have to live with the UP diesel running under the overhead wire. The thing is that one type of wagons that the SD70ACe would have in it's train is a set of container wagons that can be used for double stacking and that wouldn't work with a catenary above. So i may have to put my thinking cap on when designing that part of my future layout and put in two different lines one mainly for US diesels (and steam = Big Boy) only and another one for electric (and European diesels and Steam).


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AshleyH		#9 Posted : 29 June 2012 21:43:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 693 Location: Bournemouth, Dorset		Have any of these proposed 3 Raiil MTH locos actually been released yet? Thanks Ashley


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Harvey		#10 Posted : 30 June 2012 18:06:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 606 Location: Glen Oaks, N.Y.		I am considering buying the Marklin 37493. I assume it has not yet been delivered in the German market. Also, Walters shows no expected delivery date for the US. I was wondering if anyone, in Germany, has yet received and had any comments about the running characteristics. Regards, Harvey


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H0		#11 Posted : 30 June 2012 18:17:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,463 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Harvey I am considering buying the Marklin 37493. I assume it has not yet been delivered It has not been delivered anywhere (Märklin product database shows orange light) and it is not included in Märklin's list of Planned Delivery Dates.
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seatrains		#12 Posted : 30 June 2012 18:29:45(UTC) Retweet
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nevw		#13 Posted : 01 July 2012 04:40:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		On the MTH Web site the spec for the GP35 for Marklin Systems is a 14 1/2" Radius (R1) Still scheduled for a September delivery. I have asked a question on their Facebook page if that is still the time line. Nev
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around

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Marius in Africa		#14 Posted : 01 July 2012 19:03:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 I have decided to order the M 37493 but I was wondering is there any difference between the GG1 from Marklin and the GG1 from MTH? Based on information from the MTH website their GG1 will not cope with R1 curves - i believe the Marklin version will most likely cope with R1 curves. Also the MTH version will most likely have a body die cast in some form of synthetic material where as the Marklin version is metal.
		Marius in Africa HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.


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Iamnotthecrazyone		#15 Posted : 02 July 2012 13:13:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		I have the first Marklin release of the gg1 and I 'll be surprised if the general finish of the MT look as nice as the Ma. The sound is excellent, the only annoying thing for me is that model have the yellow LED's, I assume newer Ma models would use warm LED's instead.


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Marius in Africa		#16 Posted : 02 July 2012 16:53:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone I have the first Marklin release of the gg1 and I 'll be surprised if the general finish of the MT look as nice as the Ma. The sound is excellent, the only annoying thing for me is that model have the yellow LED's, I assume newer Ma models would use warm LED's instead. I was wondering if this is a "new" model for Marklin of a re-issue. When was it released for the first time? How well does it cope with R1 turnouts & curves? Regards
		Marius in Africa HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.


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kbvrod		#17 Posted : 02 July 2012 23:00:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, Think twice about getting a MTH locomotive! Dr D


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nevw		#18 Posted : 03 July 2012 01:51:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, Think twice about getting a MTH locomotive! Dr D Kevin, care to share your wisdom/knowledge on the above statement
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around

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NZMarklinist		#19 Posted : 03 July 2012 03:56:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 I have decided to order the M 37493 but I was wondering is there any difference between the GG1 from Marklin and the GG1 from MTH? In a word Alex, the difference will be in build "QUALITY" Sounds like the MTH may have a few gee wiz functions, but Marklin 37493 does have a lot also (13 plus lights). Plus it will run on your R1 Marklin Track and over the M Turnouts whereas the MTH probably won't and just be an expensive pain in the but for you (and your Mother )
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kbvrod		#20 Posted : 03 July 2012 19:52:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi Nev,all, Kevin, care to share your wisdom/knowledge on the above statement. Sorry for the late reply,... From DCC lists to reports on other forums,there is a problem with MTH loks. MTH,seems to think it has a better DCC system(DCS) and uses it in both their HO and O scale models.The problem is that the DCC takes a back seat to the DCS in their factory installed decoders.This is a problem with operators of DCC and they tell tales of replacing these decoders because of frustration,... Also a friend in England also reported terrible customer service on this O-scale models,.... Some info here: http://www.ulrichmodels.com/pro...pics/MTH_DCS_and_DCC.pdf Dr D


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nevw		#21 Posted : 04 July 2012 01:57:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Thanks Kevin for the info. Most illuminating. However I think that may have changed a little re the new AC Models: Ta Nev From AJC Kids web page for the GP35: Web page GP35 ajckids sells these models with built-in decoders for the Marklin Digital System, with Marklin NEM coupler pockets, and Marklin pick-up shoe and a full range of sounds recorded from a prototype GP35. If you're looking for durable motive power that's accurately detailed, smooth running, and a great deal of fun to operate, it doesn't get any better than this. Features Intricately Detailed ABS Body Authentic Paint Scheme & Cab Numbers Detailed Truck Sides, Pilots and Fuel Tank Die-Cast Metal Chassis Detachable Scale Snow Plow (2) Cab Figures Directionally Controlled Headlights RP-25 Metal Wheels Mounted On Metal Axles Powerful 12-Volt 5-Pole Precision Skew-Wound Flywheel Equipped Motor Locomotive Speed Control in Scale MPH Increments Lighted Cab Interior Illuminated Number Boards Lighted Marker Lights (2) NEM Couplers On-Board Marklin Compatible Receiver Operates On Marklin C and K-Track, and Code 70, 83, & 100 Rail Curves 3-Rail Pick-up shoe UPC or EAN: - MTH 8021645
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around


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Jeremy Palmer		#22 Posted : 04 July 2012 02:57:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Hi Nev, All for US$300 or so. Not a bad deal, thanks for the general update re. MTH. Jeremy.
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Iamnotthecrazyone		#23 Posted : 04 July 2012 12:12:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,047		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone I have the first Marklin release of the gg1 and I 'll be surprised if the general finish of the MT look as nice as the Ma. The sound is excellent, the only annoying thing for me is that model have the yellow LED's, I assume newer Ma models would use warm LED's instead. I was wondering if this is a "new" model for Marklin of a re-issue. When was it released for the first time? How well does it cope with R1 turnouts & curves? Regards Hi, sorry for the late reply, of the top of my mind I don't remember the exact year but it would have been 6 or 7 years ago. I haven't ran it for a while now but I don't remember any issues at all in fact I think is one of the best models produced by Marklin recently. It runs beautifuly and it has a very nicely detailed metal body. The panthographs I think may need an adaptor that fits on top for better running. The ones on the loco are prototipical, They may be too narrow but I don't remember now.

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kbvrod		#24 Posted : 04 July 2012 15:01:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi all, Fingers crossed Nev! Dr D


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Marius in Africa		#25 Posted : 04 July 2012 18:36:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: kbvrod Hi all, Fingers crossed Nev! Dr D Yip. I will rather replace a decoder than not getting the SD70ACe & GP35. How bad can their decoders be after all. We wait impatiently. Cheers Marius
		Marius in Africa HO, ECoS 2, Märklin C-track, any country, any design, any era & any brand which i like.


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kbvrod		#26 Posted : 04 July 2012 19:18:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA		Hi Marius,all, Yip. I will rather replace a decoder than not getting the SD70ACe & GP35. How bad can their decoders be after all. We wait impatiently. That was on the DCC side of the issue as these decoders were basic and did not play well with DCC systems.If an M/MM decoder there shouldn't be a problem,.... Dr D


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