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Offline smurfillo  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2012 17:50:04(UTC)
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Hi guys:

I recently purchased a red SK800 from 1953 that look very well, in the Koll's preiscatalog there isn't reference to it by what I suspect it could have been repainted, but in the marklinfan Italy's web site in the Marco Vancini section says it is a special series which have been very few pieces.

I have taken photos but the phone company has left me without internet at my house and I can't upload it. Cursing

At first sight it not seems repainted, but I would like to know exactly.

Does anyone know anything about this limited series?

Best regards

Javier

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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2012 18:30:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys:

I recently purchased a red SK800 from 1953 that look very well, in the Koll's preiscatalog there isn't reference to it by what he suspected it could have been repainted, but in the marklinfan Italy's web site in the Marco Vancini section says it is a special series which have been very few pieces.

I have taken photos but the phone company has left me without internet at my house and I can't upload it. Cursing

At first sight it not seems repainted, but I would like to know exactly.

Does anyone know anything about this limited series?

Best regards

Javier


Hello Javier,

I believe I know the one you are referring to...it is an SK 800 N (around 1953 as you say) which has been painted red. There have only been confirmed red SK 800 locomotives from pre-war and early post-war years (the latest one in around 1946). I suppose an even later one is possible. It would lead me to be very suspicious, however.

Best regards,

Paul

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Offline LMS800  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2012 18:33:57(UTC)
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Hello Javier,
I know only red SK 800 of the pre-war production.
These red locos were made on "special request" for "special customers". They are very rare and very, very expensive ! That is the reason, that so many red fakes are on the market.
I guess Paul will show his recently bought red SK 800 .
Regards Wolf
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2012 18:39:31(UTC)
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Hello Javier,
I know only red SK 800 of the pre-war production.
These red locos were made on "special request" for "special customers". They are very rare and very, very expensive ! That is the reason, that so many red fakes are on the market.
I guess Paul will show his recently bought red SK 800 .
Regards Wolf


Hi Wolf,

I assume the other one you are referring to is here:

http://alte-modellbahnen...Sk-Replika-ist-da-1.html

Goes back to our debate on whether or not SK's were produced with 6 Splints in the pre-war years. In my opinion that red SK 800 is from 1945/1946 if it is original (I can't say just by looking at the photos). The one which is in my avatar, however, is most likely pre-war (it has zero post-war parts).

I'm looking forward to seeing Javier's example.

Best regards,

Paul
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Offline smurfillo  
#5 Posted : 09 May 2012 09:41:48(UTC)
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Offline LMS800  
#6 Posted : 09 May 2012 10:41:49(UTC)
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Hello Javier,
the loco looks very nice, but I am sorry to say , the loco is a "re-painted" one, original a black Koll-version 16 or 17. To distinguish between version 16 or 17 I have to see the wheels.
The box is an italian replica box, all boxes with an date like the one I have marked with a yellow circle are replica ones.
Best regards
Wolf

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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#7 Posted : 09 May 2012 10:49:45(UTC)
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Interesting, there are a couple of things I don't like from it to be an original. Just to mention a couple of things. Most of the engines from that time that had a glossy colour paint they tend to have a bubbly appearance. The golden lines and for instance the round black domes against the red paint looks too perfect. It may be just me, I am sure there people with much more experience in that era.
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Offline smurfillo  
#8 Posted : 09 May 2012 10:52:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
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Hello Javier,
the loco looks very nice, but I am sorry to say , the loco is a "re-painted" one, original a black Koll-version 16 or 17. To distinguish between version 16 or 17 I have to see the wheels.
The box is an italian replica box, all boxes with an date like the one I have marked with a yellow circle are replica ones.
Best regards
Wolf



Hi Wolf:

Thanks for the information. How do I know if a locomotive is repainted or not?

Best regards

Javier
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Offline LMS800  
#9 Posted : 09 May 2012 11:40:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
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Hello Javier,
the loco looks very nice, but I am sorry to say , the loco is a "re-painted" one, original a black Koll-version 16 or 17. To distinguish between version 16 or 17 I have to see the wheels.
The box is an italian replica box, all boxes with an date like the one I have marked with a yellow circle are replica ones.
Best regards
Wolf



Hi Wolf:

Thanks for the information. How could you know if repainted or not?

Best regards

Wolf


Hi Javier,
I get alerted when I see a more than 60 years old loco ( toy to play with !!) in such a brand new condition !!!
1. colour is differnt
2. Only SK 800 of the years 1940-1947 were (on special request) painted red by Märklin. Your loco is from 1953-1954.

Javier, do you have a Koll or Mikado (collector) book ? Do you know the different types of SK 800 ?
The knowledge of differnet types (version) helps very much identifying a replica.
Best regards
Wolf
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Offline smurfillo  
#10 Posted : 09 May 2012 12:02:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: smurfillo Go to Quoted Post
The photos


Hello Javier,
the loco looks very nice, but I am sorry to say , the loco is a "re-painted" one, original a black Koll-version 16 or 17. To distinguish between version 16 or 17 I have to see the wheels.
The box is an italian replica box, all boxes with an date like the one I have marked with a yellow circle are replica ones.
Best regards
Wolf



Hi Wolf:

Thanks for the information. How could you know if repainted or not?

Best regards

Wolf


Hi Javier,
I get alerted when I see a more than 60 years old loco ( toy to play with !!) in such a brand new condition !!!
1. colour is differnt
2. Only SK 800 of the years 1940-1947 were (on special request) painted red by Märklin. Your loco is from 1953-1954.

Javier, do you have a Koll or Mikado (collector) book ? Do you know the different types of SK 800 ?
The knowledge of differnet types (version) helps very much identifying a replica.
Best regards
Wolf


Hi Wolf:

I have the Koll 2012 (I bought it after buying this lok) and haven't seen this model, only a green SK 800 model appear , that is why I asked the forum.

Best regards

Javier
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#11 Posted : 09 May 2012 16:24:43(UTC)
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I agree with Wolf the model is certainly 100% repainted and box, instruction sheets, etc. are Italian replicas. It is very well done though and quite a nice piece nonetheless ThumpUp

Best regards,

Paul
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