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20-VOLT-AC		#1 Posted : 14 April 2012 14:10:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 250 Location: united kingdom		Hi Guy's. How many Trans Europ Express locomotive versions were made in TEE colours by Marklin ? Neil.
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TimR		#2 Posted : 14 April 2012 14:31:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		In H0, there are: - BR 103 / BR 103.1 (most versions are in TEE colours) - BR 112 (26540 - E10.12 Bügelfalte) - Re 4/4 I (26557 - second batch model - no front doors) - Re 4/4 II (37343 - a Trix version is also available and widely used by Marklinists) - CC 40100 (SNCF) / Serie 18 (SNCB) There is also a special edition BR218 (39184) in TEE colour scheme - but AFAIK this one was not used to pull TEE trains. Other than those locos, all the other TEEs are mostly trainsets.
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RayF		#3 Posted : 14 April 2012 14:49:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		The Br120.0 is also available in TEE colours, but was used for IC trains. Apart from the 39184, Marklin also made the 30747 in TEE colours
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H0		#4 Posted : 14 April 2012 15:16:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Ray! Originally Posted by: RayF Apart from the 39184, Marklin also made the 30747 in TEE colours As you write: a "TEE coloured" loco, but not a TEE loco. A design study before they came up with the cream/blue livery.
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mike c		#5 Posted : 14 April 2012 19:01:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: Montreal, QC		If it was a topic about TEE locomotives, we would have to include the SNCF "Capitole" BB9200, the BR210 that was used to pull the TEE "Bavaria" from Lindau to Munich and back between 1971 and 1978. Maerklin has not made a model of the specific Re 4/4II (AFAIR 11195-11201) that were used of the same train between Zurich and Lindau and back (1971-72), but they do make a Re 4/4II in green. Nor does Maerklin have a model of the specific green Re 4/4I that was used to pull the TEE Rheingold from 1962-1972, but they also make a model that may have been used to pull that train at some point (37044). I guess we would also have to include the E 10 that was used to pull the "Rheingold" from 1962 to 1965 in the original blue/beige livery. I don't know which loks were used by the NS to pull the "Rheingold" and other trains on the Amsterdam to Emmerich section, but Maerklin also had some NS models from that era. Specifically in TEE colors, there were the following: DB 103 112 (110.3) 120 (Never saw service with International TEE trains. May have been used for domestic DB TEE trains. Was used in IC service (post 1979) SBB Re 4/4I Re 4/4II SNCF CC40100 SNCB 18 (old number) Trainsets SBB RAm/NS DE "Edelweiss" SBB RAe "Gottardo" DB BR 602 Edited by user 26 April 2012 00:05:39(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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ricky		#6 Posted : 25 April 2012 23:22:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: California		Originally Posted by: mike c If it was a topic about TEE locomotives, we would have to include the SNCF "Capitole" BB9200, the BR210 that was used to pull the TEE "Bavaria" from Lindau to Munich and back between 1971 and 1978. Maerklin has not made a model of the specific Re 4/4II (AFAIR 11195-11201) that were used of the same train between Zurich and Lindau and back (1971-72), but they do make a Re 4/4II in green. Nor does Maerklin have a model of the specific green Re 4/4I that was used to pull the TEE Rheingold from 1962-1972, but they also make a model that may have been used to pull that train at some point (37044). I guess we would also have to include the E 10 that was used to pull the "Rheingold" from 1962 to 1965 in the original blue/beige livery. I don't know which loks were used by the NS to pull the "Rheingold" and other trains on the Amsterdam to Emmerich section, but Maerklin also had some NS models from that era. Specifically in TEE colors, there were the following: DB 103 112 (110.3) 120 (Never saw service with International TEE trains. May have been used for domestic DB TEE trains. Was used in IC service (post 1979) SBB Re 4/4I Re 4/4II SNCF CC40100 SNCB 18 (old number) Trainsets SBB RAm/NS DE "Edelweiss" SBB RAe "Gottardo" Hi Mike C et al., Ahh, the TEEs! My favourite subject! the BB9200 in red/wite (M 3059) was used to pull "Le Capitole" before it became a TEE. The SNCF switched to the CC6500 and "grand confort" cars when it became a TEE. Old red and white cars (M 4075) were still used for some time for additional Capitole trains on peak days, but always pulled by 6500s. Neil is correct when he asks about "TEE colours": the official colours defined when forming the TEE consortium were red and cream. However, as you know, other colours were used, notably inox (PBA64 and Mistral 69 belonging to SNCF, SBB and CFF; and Mistral 56 before "Le Mistral" got its new Mistral 69 cars), blue and cream (Fiat FS cars for interior TEEs, e.g. Ambrosiano, Cycnus, Aurora, Adriatico; but also Rheingold 1962 blue and cream cars before being repainted red/cream); grey/red/orange for "grand confort" SNCF cars (Etendard, Aquitaine, Le Capitole, Stanislas, Kléber, Jules Verne); FS ETR 300 green and grey, used on the TEE Settebello; Talgo cars (inox/red) used on the TEE Catalan Talgo; yellow/white DB ETR 403 (Lufthansa train, labeled "TEE" on the charts and numbered TEE61 to 68.) I have not included in this list the materials that were used in 1957 while still waiting for the TEE trains, e.g. DB VT08.) To add to Mike's liste: not in TEE colors, but pulled TEE trains and produced by M: NS BB 1100 (Marklin 3013, 37241, 37243, etc.), NS CC 1200 (M 3051/3055 + more recent versions), SNCB BB 1600 (M 3152 (Parsifal, Diamant, Oiseau bleu) and 3163 (TEE Diamant)), DSB CC My1000 in original and red/black liveries (M 3067 and all others after) for TEE Merkur in Denmark, OBB BB 1040 (M 3036) for TEE Blauer Enzian), CFF BB Re4/4 IV (M 3323, 3330, 3430, 3630) for TEE Cisalpin, DB BB 181 in dark blue livery for TEE Goethe (I believe was produced by M, don't know the number), DB BB V200 (TEE Rheingold before section Emmerich-Arnhem(?) was electrified), DB BB 221 (TEE Merkur), SNCF BB 15000 (TEEs Stanislas and Kléber), SNCF BB 7200 (M 3325/3625) for TEE Ligure between Avignon and Marseille. Note that the SNCF BB 22200 used for the Cisalpin (last period), Catalan Talgo and Jules Verne were still in their first version, not the version produced by M. I have never seen a photo of a TEE pulled by a DB BB 120. I have excluded from this list locs that were used exceptionally. For the Re 4/4 IV, I have seen photos of the Cisalpin pulled by the M 3330 and 3430 livery, but not by the 3630 livery. I also want to share with you this very nice page on TEEs I recently found (I am not the autor!): http://www.drehscheibe-foren.de/foren/read.php?17,3346414 Cheers, Ricky

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mike c		#7 Posted : 26 April 2012 00:18:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,224 Location: Montreal, QC		I updated my last post to include the DB VT11/BR 602 that I had forgotten to include under train sets. The SBB Re 4/4IV never pulled TEE trains. The Re 4/4IV prototypes (10101-10104) went into service in 1982. By then, the Cisalpin, Lemano, Jean Jacques Rousseau and other trains were no longer officially designated as TEE but as Intercity trains. At that time, the only trains officially still using the TEE moniker were the DB Rheingold (Emmerich-Munich) and the TEE Gottardo/Ticino on the Zuerich-Milano route. The DB (German) InterCity network was introduced in 1972. Initially, this was TEE equivalent first class service with additional second class coaches on domestic routes within Germany. In 1979, the DB decided to drop the first class only TEE trains and replace them with mixed 1st/2nd class InterCity trains on international routes as well. Most of the other European railways that had been participating in the TEE program agreed and the TEE era came to an end. The InterCity network started in Germany and rapidly grew to include many former TEE trains as well as a number of former D-Zug connections travelling from Germany to other countries or travelling from other countries through Germany to other destinations. This evolved over the years and with new scheduling, it became what is today known as the EuroCity network, connecting major European metropolitan areas with fast and comfortable express trains. Regards Mike C


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Markus Schild		#8 Posted : 26 April 2012 01:03:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Originally Posted by: mike c The SBB Re 4/4IV never pulled TEE trains. The Re 4/4IV prototypes (10101-10104) went into service in 1982. By then, the Cisalpin, Lemano, Jean Jacques Rousseau and other trains were no longer officially designated as TEE but as Intercity trains. At that time, the only trains officially still using the TEE moniker were the DB Rheingold (Emmerich-Munich) and the TEE Gottardo/Ticino on the Zuerich-Milano route. Hi Mike, I' am not sure about the CISALPIN, but both, the German and the French Wikipedia state the January 21st 1984 as last day of circulation as an TEE. In this thread : http://www.stummiforum.d...pic.php?f=35&t=36441 two pictures of the Cisalpin with the Re 4/4 IV are shown, pulling French TEE-cars. Regards Markus
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ricky		#9 Posted : 26 April 2012 01:34:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: California		Originally Posted by: mike c The SBB Re 4/4IV never pulled TEE trains. The Re 4/4IV prototypes (10101-10104) went into service in 1982. By then, the Cisalpin, Lemano, Jean Jacques Rousseau and other trains were no longer officially designated as TEE but as Intercity trains. At that time, the only trains officially still using the TEE moniker were the DB Rheingold (Emmerich-Munich) and the TEE Gottardo/Ticino on the Zuerich-Milano route. Hello Mike, I agree with you for the Lemano, it was retired on 23 May 1982, it was always pulled by a Re 4/4 II (green first, then red/cream.) I will however respectfully disagree with you about the Jean-Jacques Rousseau: it was never a TEE, and about the Cisalpin: Maurice Mertens wrote in his book "Les Trans Europ Express" that the Cisalpin was in service until January 22, 1984. Wikipedia (french) states 21 January 1984. I don't know who is right but it is January 1984. TEE Ticino was retired on 26 May 1974. Also according to the book of Maurice Mertens, who was an authority on the subject, here is the list of TEEs retired after 1982: L'Etoile du Nord - 3 June 1984 L'Ile de France - 3 June 1984 L'Oiseau bleu - 3 June 1984 Mediolanum - 3 June 1984 Gottardo (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Brabant - 3 June 1984 Rheingold (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Rembrandt - 28 May 1983 Le Capitole - 30 September 1984 (TEE 77-74), the 75-76 Capitole was suppressed in 1982. Aquitaine - 3 June 1984 Kléber (was still in service at the time the book was printed) L'Etendard - 3 June 1984 Vesuvio (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Ambrosiano (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Colusseum (was still in service at the time the book was printed) successor of the Settebello when the ETR 300 were retired and the train converted to a classic train using the Fiat blue and cream cars in 1984. Memling - 3 June 1984 Rubens (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Gambrinus - 29 May 1983 Faidherbe (was still in service at the time the book was printed) Gayant (was still in service at the time the book was printed, but only from Paris to Tourcoing) Goethe (II: Dusseldorf-Frankfurt) - 29 May 1983 Heinrich Heine - 29 May 1983 Albert Schweitzer - 29 May 1983 Jules Verne (was still in service at the time the book was printed) The edition of the book I have is 1985. I don't know if there have been updated editions after. Regards, Ricky.


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ricky		#10 Posted : 26 April 2012 01:43:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: California		The RailTop brochure for the Cisalpin cars: https://www.marklin-users.net/up...in-Arbalete-prospekt.pdf Cheers, Ricky


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20-VOLT-AC		#11 Posted : 26 April 2012 20:51:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 250 Location: united kingdom		Originally Posted by: ricky The RailTop brochure for the Cisalpin cars: https://www.marklin-users.net/up...in-Arbalete-prospekt.pdf Cheers, Ricky Hello Ricky. Nice addition to this post, top work !! I am learning more about the TEE now thanks to you guy's . One day i hope to travel on it and enjoy the scenery. Neil (UK)
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ricky		#12 Posted : 26 April 2012 21:49:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: California		You're welcome Neil! I knew I would forget some... The TEE "landscape" is so rich! To add to the list (other non red/cream loks that have pulled TEEs and produced by M): DB BB 184 in dark blue livery (M 37312), was pulling the TEE Parsifal on a regular basis. Look for DB 184 Parsifal in your favorite browser (images), you'll find several pics. I am probably missing more... Enjoy! Ricky PS The rail scenery has changed a lot in continental Europe since the last TEE was retired! If you go near the tracks the Mistral and the Cisalpin used, you will see mostly freight trains and a few local passenger trains. I'm missing the TEEs!


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