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Offline Frostie  
#1 Posted : 18 December 2004 03:45:17(UTC)
Frostie

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Location: Birmingham,Alabama
Got this baby at home tonight. Per Thanos request I just had to tear it open (totally your fault). Before opening I slightly shook it and just a little rustling and it sounded ok. Clean off the dining room table and place a white sheet to catch any stray parts.

Opened and initial magnified examination, looked in good shape. The screws used to fasten BB to the board were not loose, but not tight either and just a few twists to remove the BB with the convenient foam tray holding BB securely from the transport board.

Unfortunately packing to move to a new house in early January, so had to unpack train stuff and set a layout up. Set up two tables with 6 X 5 foot footprint. Set up a simple oval about 5 X 4 feet using the mobile station to power the beast.

Several quick test laps to check out the overall functions and very impressed. Sounds are great, but need to be adjusted a little lower from factory settings. I absolutely love the squealing brakes.

Decided to test the pulling capacity of the BB. Unfortunately using 24130 curves so might have some issues here. Here is what the beast has managed to pull.

Pacific Fruit Express 45680 - 3 cars
NYC Hopper car Set 45801 - 4 cars
Pacemaker Freight car set 45648 - 3 cars
Torpedo car 48291 - 1 car
Montana Union Coal and Steel Set 46140 2 sets - 8 cars
Box car set 47785 - 2 cars
Bakers Chocolate Car 4864 - 1 car
Heavy Duty Car - 48295 - 1 Monster car
UP caboose 45702 - 1 car

This gives a total of

One Locomotive
One tender
Thirty Four cars
One caboose

There were some weighty cars included in this test train. In fact the Caboose was almost in the way of the front of BB. However there was just enough room for the BB to take up the slack.

When power was applied I had to adjust some couplers that were pulling loose but that was settled. BB had to be on a straight track to start without wheel slipping. I adjusted the start delay to max and the beast easily pulled the whole shebang. No noticable power loss even when the 42895 Monster car got sideways in a curve.

The BB has met all expectations, the sounds are teriffic, the details are astounding, and the pulling power is off the chart. I cannot wait to set this up with the Central station !! Cool

The only issue that I have with BB, is where are the telex couplers ???[:(][:(]

In short Herr Adams, you are forgiven for your problems that were delivered to my home this year !!! biggrin

I am wondering about a pulling test between BB and BR53K ??? Does anybody know how to test the pulling power of a locomotive before wheel slippage occurs ?? This might be interesting.



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Offline HueyCE  
#2 Posted : 18 December 2004 07:38:45(UTC)
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Very pleased to hear of your positive experience. That's one helluva train you asked it pull. I don't know if I would ever get a consist that large together. However your pull test does sound interesting.
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Offline usbeauty  
#3 Posted : 18 December 2004 08:41:56(UTC)
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Mmmm! Pull tests! Now we're talking!
Modeling the Bruxelles - Nord to Knokke - Heist line on my layout, complete with pommes frites stand (frituur). (Epoch IV, digital and analog)
Offline xxup  
#4 Posted : 18 December 2004 11:06:10(UTC)
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Like those tractor trials... One BB each side.. some chain and a red rag to mark the middle... The winner is the BB that drags the other BB over the line.. 34 cars that is amazing..
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Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 18 December 2004 16:58:56(UTC)
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Thanks for that great test [:p] !!!

John

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Offline Hoffmann  
#6 Posted : 18 December 2004 20:55:24(UTC)
Hoffmann

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Hi all,

The Magazine "Model Rairoader" did a test with the PA 1 New York Central ( from Start-Set# 29571) and it had a Draw-Pull of over 15 Oz. Equivalent to over 300 free rolling Freight Cars.CoolCool

I am sure the Big-Boy will come close to this.biggrinbiggrin

As compared to a Atlas SD 40 which had a Draw-Pull of less then 3 Oz.[:(][:(]

I wish the Marklin Marketing Gurus would take advantage of this fact.[8)]

Martin
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#7 Posted : 18 December 2004 21:58:24(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Hi Guys!
If you are having a pulling contest, try out an E94 3022, 3022, 3422 (the one I have) You may be in for a big surprise. This tank can pull!
Happy Marklining,
John
SBB Era 2-5
Offline jerdenberg  
#8 Posted : 10 January 2005 23:13:14(UTC)
jerdenberg

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Hi everyone,

First let me quickly introduce myself (just joined): I live in the Netherlands, and returned to H0 railroading when my son turned 10 some years ago and we bought him a starter set. (The only things I had left from the 1960s were two 3029s, an E40 and a BR 01.) In the meantime I have become addicted to the Union Pacific in the transition era.

We are running our layout using the MR-direct program (http://www.mrdirect.nl/), with the 32 VA transformer of the starter set, a Delta control as the booster, and an antique 486PC with a 14" screen. Although the program permits the control of turnouts, the layout is so provisional that turnouts are still set by hand.

As to the present topic:
I gathered all the cars my son and I presently have, and my 37990 Big Boy had no problem pulling the following ultrastrange string of cars from standstill in a curve consisting of alternating 24188/24130s:
[UP mode on]
23 40' boxcars
2 50' boxcars
8 3-bay hoppers
6 gondolas
2 tank cars
2 cabooses
[UP mode off]
[Euromode on]
3 4-axle Umbauwagen
2 other 4-axle coaches
5 2-axle coaches (4313 + 4x 4235)
4 2-axle Bundespost cars (4736)
1 6-axle Tieflader (4617)
3 tank cars (44401)
3 flatcars (4459/4423)
3 coal cars (4430)
2 beer cars (44182-like)
3 boxcars (4410/4411)
[Euromode off]
That is 72 cars with 256 axles.
Main problem: the tension on the couplings of some cars becomes huge; it caused the Kulissenkupplung of the 4313 to press so hard against the buffer that the car derailed in a sharp curve.

I am going to repeat the test with the 37610 PA1 (think it will go a long way) and the 37973 Mikado (wonder how far that will go), and report the results.
Jeroen
Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
Offline HueyCE  
#9 Posted : 10 January 2005 23:23:05(UTC)
HueyCE


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Welcome to the forum jerdenberg. We will await your future reports.
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Offline jerdenberg  
#10 Posted : 11 January 2005 23:49:37(UTC)
jerdenberg

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Hi all,

Today I found a few extra cars to burden the Big Boy with:
Wuerttemberger Post (4 axles)
TEN standard car (4 axles)
The railway crane from the starter set + flatcar (5 axles)
and a Gueterbegleitwagen (2 axles).

The Big Boy did not mind this 77-car/271-axle string. However, the tension on the couplers exceeded a limit this time: the narrow 24188/24130 curve caused multiple derailments.

The PA1 (37610) had no trouble with the original test set-up, but began to slip with the full-length train.

The Mikado (37973) with the original test set-up started without a problem, but slipped a little when the slack in the string of cars had gone, then ran on fine. With the full-length train it did move, but with constant slipping.

Finally, our Franco-Crosti (39160) was affected by its plastic hull: it had a fair amount of slip with the original set-up and did not succeed in moving the full-length train.

I wonder if the close-couplers would stand the continuous beating they got in this test: even on a straight section those of the first string of cars were stretched to full elongation.

Jeroen
Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
Offline Santi  
#11 Posted : 12 January 2005 21:35:01(UTC)
Santi


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Location: Spain
Hi Jeroen, welcome to the forum!

That's a real test!

Santi
Offline Santi  
#12 Posted : 12 January 2005 21:37:13(UTC)
Santi


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Upss! Excuse me Frostie!
Congratulations! Welcome to the BB owners club!

Santi
Offline jerdenberg  
#13 Posted : 12 January 2005 23:40:13(UTC)
jerdenberg

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HueyCE, Santi,

Thanks for the welcome!

Next in my planned line of intended testing are an old V200 with Uhlenbrock 72500, and -- in analog mode for the time being -- my 1969 4048 BR 01.

Frostie: does your BB slip if you set it in motion at speed step 1? Mine barely creeps forward, but does not slip, even with the longest string we can muster and no slack. If so, where could the difference come from I wonder?

Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
Offline john black  
#14 Posted : 13 January 2005 18:51:14(UTC)
john black

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Hi Jeroen, welcome to The Forum Smile

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline Frostie  
#15 Posted : 13 January 2005 19:24:54(UTC)
Frostie

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No slipping - while the number of cars that I used are not as numerous as some, I have used some weighty ones. Mt testing wa slimited due to layout space requirements.

I have the 37990, how about double-heading two bib boys together. Did this happen in actual use ?
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Offline jerdenberg  
#16 Posted : 14 January 2005 11:37:19(UTC)
jerdenberg

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Hi Frostie,

My test train also had a number of ``heavies'', notably the transformer transporter and the railway crane, as well as several weighted gondolas. When I had to move the last 30 or so cars by hand after derailment I was amazed at the force you need to get them moving.

As to double-headed big boys, it seems it happened only occasionally for reasons of traction, considering the following text (from Big Boy, by William W. Kratville, 1972): ``When the Big Boys teamed up, it was usually a matter of moving power to equalize engine assignments ..." but the two BB's in the picture on p. 95 seem to share the burden. [Nice book, crappy binding; got an almost immaculate copy from ebay.]

Figomima division, UP; mostly figment of my imagination yet.
Offline Ice  
#17 Posted : 14 January 2005 21:43:14(UTC)
Ice


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Location: Miller Place, New York
Hello,

I'm planning my layout and I do have a BB. Is the minimum curve radius I should include so she runs smoothly without derailing? I thought I saw somewhere that there was a minimum, but I can't recall what it was.

Planning on C and/or K track.

Thanks!
ICE
Offline David Dewar  
#18 Posted : 14 January 2005 23:01:26(UTC)
David Dewar

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Welcome to the forum. Sorry I cant answer re bigboy but I am sure somebody will.
David
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Offline john black  
#19 Posted : 14 January 2005 23:16:15(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ice
<br />I'm planning my layout and I do have a BB. Is the minimum curve radius I should include so she runs smoothly without derailing? I thought I saw somewhere that there was a minimum, but I can't recall what it was ...


Norbert, as an articulated Mallet she runs without a hitch even on "standard" curve R1 (K- or C-track equally) but looks definitely mightier on bigger radii ... Cool
BTW, when you go to our Forums "models" section and then to "loco reviews" you can read our Dave Pryor's excellent test report on BB (you'll find it under "37990"). He also found out old M-track could cause her some troubles.

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline Ice  
#20 Posted : 15 January 2005 05:04:00(UTC)
Ice


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John, I can't find the "models" forums section. Any hints?

Thanks.

BTW, when you go to our Forums "models" section and then to "loco reviews" you can read our Dave Pryor's excellent test report on BB (you'll find it under "37990"). He also found out old M-track could cause her some troubles.

John


ICE
Offline john black  
#21 Posted : 17 January 2005 08:28:47(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ice
<br />John, I can't find the "models" forums section. Any hints?


On the very left side of your screen there are red buttons. It's the 3rd button from above - "Models & modeling"

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide

Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#22 Posted : 17 January 2005 13:54:47(UTC)
Alberto Pedrini

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I have got the 37991, but it's again in its box waiting a mobile station for the sound test.
In 2003 may, I have tested the 37990 on a big american layout of my friend Antonio. The BB pulled 57 freight cars (228 axes) over a bend 24530 and 3% grade without problems.
The tranis was 9,75 meter long.
I love my BB

Alberto

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Offline viragoLDR  
#23 Posted : 17 January 2005 18:33:07(UTC)
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I tested my start-set big boy on an all m-track carpet layout with lowest radius turns possible (Basically everything Marklin recommends you DON'T do), and it ran without any problem whatsoever. It was a temporary layout of course, and not very big, so I didn't have the option to add a billion cars =)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline john black  
#24 Posted : 18 January 2005 17:41:07(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by viragoLDR
<br />I tested my big boy on an all m-track carpet layout with lowest radius turns possible and it ran without any problem whatsoever.


Did that include Industrie-Kreis ???

John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline viragoLDR  
#25 Posted : 18 January 2005 21:51:00(UTC)
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What's an Industrie-Kreis?
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
Offline Guus  
#26 Posted : 18 January 2005 22:20:38(UTC)
Guus

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Hi Martijn,
That is the smallest curve available: Radius 295.4mm K-track 2210.

Best Regards
Guus
Kind regards,
Guus
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#27 Posted : 19 January 2005 00:20:36(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Since Martijn is using m-track, the Industrie-kreis in m-track is no. 5120, Radius 286 mm.
Sander
---
Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
Offline viragoLDR  
#28 Posted : 19 January 2005 00:43:33(UTC)
viragoLDR


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I don't use m-track myself, I just brought my big boy while visiting someone with m-track. He's got limited space, and I do believe the smallest curves used on his carpet layout was smaller than the R1 c-track curves, but I didn't have a close look.

It did run perfect on the layout though, even if it had almost everything marklin says to avoid. Things like unstable underground, sharp turns, normal turnouts, etc. ;)
- Martijn
(early planning : H0-scale Era I K.Bay.sts.b)
(active planning : N-scale mixed late Era Japanese)
(possibly something Z-scale as well ;))
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