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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#1 Posted : 21 September 2011 20:24:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Hi all, I have a question regarding digital addresses. I just received yet another re 460 loco that was ordered a month ago. It came equipped with a Uhlenbrock DCC 76320 decoder with address 3059 (four digit). It is supposed to work with the Märklin motorola system to but I can't figure out how to add it in my mobile station as I can only use 2 digit addresses. After some googling I have understood that four digit addresses are mainly used for DCC, but can also be used for Märklin motorola, is this correct? I got to a site where I could convert the address to CV settings etc, but that is a bit hightech for me as I only have access to mobile station. How do I figure out what the 2 digit adress of 3059 is? Thanks in advance, Oliver
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Webmaster		#2 Posted : 21 September 2011 20:53:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Ouch... Have no idea about how... Are you sure it's both DCC and MM? Then there must be some CV to set a new address, can't you just set a new address in CV3? I myself would get a new LokPilot 3 with mfx or such for a decoder replacement - but that's me, have kinda got accustomed to the self-registration bit of the mfx...
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#3 Posted : 21 September 2011 20:54:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Originally Posted by: Webmaster Ouch... Have no idea about how... Do you know what the decoder article number is? Are you sure it's both DCC and MM? I myself would get a new LokPilot 3 with mfx or such for a decoder replacement - but that's me, have kinda got accustomed to the self-registration bit of the mfx... Hi Juhan, Yes I just edited in the article number in my post. More info on the decoder can be found on this page, about one third from the top. http://www.digital-bahn....o_lokd/dekoder_multi.htm According to that and some other pages it is MM and DCC compatible. I can see why you would get a lokpilot (wonderful decoders!) but I would rather try to get this one working as it should firstly, a new decoder will be the last solution. I have read that it is possible to change adress with a 6021, but I have none. They also mention CV programming, but I am not familiar to this. I do not think it is possible with mobile station 1 to program CV and similar. I know you can change some decoder settings, but I do not think this is the same thing as CV's?
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Webmaster		#4 Posted : 21 September 2011 20:57:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		And I edited my answer since I suddenly saw the decoder article number... Well, others will have to take it on from here - I have no clue...
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#5 Posted : 21 September 2011 20:59:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Originally Posted by: Webmaster And I edited my answer since I suddenly saw the decoder article number... Well, others will have to take it on from here - I have no clue... I am sure someone else will know, this forum is full of very knowledgeable people.
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H0		#6 Posted : 21 September 2011 21:15:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Oliver! Originally Posted by: Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS It is supposed to work with the Märklin motorola system to but I can't figure out how to add it in my mobile station as I can only use 2 digit addresses. The MM protocol allows addresses up to 255, but the MS1 is limited to 1 through 80. So you must change the address of the decoder to a value from 1 through 80. Simply write a new address to register 1, that's all. Not sure if that can be done with the MS1, but I'll have a look at the manual. Edit: After a look at the manual I must state that this decoder follows the usual Uhlenbrock cow dung pattern: to enter programming mode from MM protocol, you must select the old address on your controller. Time to visit a friend or a friendly dealer with a controller that supports DCC. Edit II: Some Uhlenbrock decoders support a "hardware reset" by connecting to solder pads on the decoder - but I found no information if the 76320 also supports the trick.
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Webmaster		#7 Posted : 21 September 2011 21:26:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		Ah, so it's CV1, not CV3... This is possible with MS1, since it can write CV values, have changed addresses on MM compatible decoders with MS1 myself - but obviously forgot which CV to write since it was a couple of years ago... *Edit: Thanks for the edit Tom, cow dung is the word regarding the UHL decoders regarding ease of use...*
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#8 Posted : 22 September 2011 08:27:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Thank you for the answers Tom and Juhan. So my next step today is to call Anders at hobbycenter and ask if he can help me. Apart from him, I know of no one in the Gothenburg area with a 6021. I am really starting to feel the need of a central station now.. Maybe for christmas??
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jvuye		#9 Posted : 22 September 2011 09:13:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France		Originally Posted by: Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS Thank you for the answers Tom and Juhan. So my next step today is to call Anders at hobbycenter and ask if he can help me. Apart from him, I know of no one in the Gothenburg area with a 6021. I am really starting to feel the need of a central station now.. Maybe for christmas?? Hello Oliver Firts of all you have to get the decoder to revert to the use of short addresses (i.e reset bit 5 of CV 29 to "0") The manual for this decoder is here http://www.uhlenbrock.de...64-013.apd/Bes76320e.pdf It will explain how to do it with a 6021, but it is a bit difficult to do, IMHO. For simplicity, you definitely need access to an Intellibox or any other DCC programming station to be able to perform that operation. Cheers
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H0		#10 Posted : 22 September 2011 09:22:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS Apart from him, I know of no one in the Gothenburg area with a 6021. I'm afraid that a 6021 won't solve this problem because it also has the address limit of 80. MS2, CS2, CS1 reloaded, Intellibox - even a Trix MS1 or a Roco MultiMaus or a Fleischmann ProfiBoss should do.
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#11 Posted : 22 September 2011 09:56:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		Hm ok, it becomes clearer all the time. I will call Anders and ask if he can help me out. Thanks again for the reply guys Update: Anders did not have the equipment to change the adrecc (DCC) but another local dealer said he could help me out so hopefully I will have the loco running by next week. .
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Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS		#12 Posted : 29 September 2011 09:41:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 544		A little update for anyone interested. Was at a local dealer yesterday here in Gothenburg. Turns out that the decoder was NOT multi protocoll and Uhlenbrock, but an ESU DCC only decoder. So the seller had actually stated the wrong decoder in the loco. At this point we drifted on to talk about Central Station, digital signals etc. Me wants! Maybe some time... However, I left the dealer with a lokpilot to install. The loco did have a five pole motor. My plan is to install it during my one week vacation starting on monday. Oliver
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