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GSRR		#1 Posted : 01 September 2011 19:09:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		So I see that ESU has just released the ECoSDetector 50094 and the ECoSDetector Standard 50096. http://www.esu.eu/en/pro...osdetector/ecosdetector/ I read the post on the ESU forum concerning this new item. (Forum membership required) Forum » English support forums » ECoS Support The New Now Released ECoSDetector http://www.esu.eu/forum/...w_released_ecosdetector/ The thread deals mostly with 2 rail. What I would like to know is if anyone here has wired one of these devices to their 3 rail layout? I understand that the ECoSDetector Standard is suitable for 3 rail, and similar to an s88? ESU states that the ECoS Detector, which lists for @ €100 more is also suitable for 3 rail, particularly for new layouts with new wiring. As of yet there is no ESU English translation of the manual, however there is an unofficial one. It is available in the above link on page 3. Here are some of the highlights. Current Detection (not ECoSDetector Standard) In this method, which is suitable for all track systems, the feedback measures the current flowing through a section of track power. RailCom® Feedback (not ECoSDetector Standard) Decoders which are equipped with RailCom ® or RailComPlus ® can tell the ECoSDetector the locomotive number ECoSDetector modules detect and track occupancy detection give them the ECoSlink ECoSDetector Standard Features The ECoSDetector standard has 16 feedback inputs, which are designed as "mass contact". A standard ECoSDetector is just like s88. ECoSDetector Features The ECoSDetector has 16 feedback inputs. Each of them can be configured with a jumper either individually or as a ground contact as a current sensor. In addition, 4 of 16 feedback inputs in a position to work as RailCom ® detector. When these are used as current sensors, the maximum current is 3A per section. The ECoSDetector is due to its flexibility suitable for both 3-rail and 2-rail operation and all gauges. As I understand it, the ECoSDetector still requires the use of Contact / Circuit / Infrared / Reed devices for feedback reporting. The advantage being supposedly that this is a more reliable and faster system than the s88? What it brings additionally is the current sensing? How would this hold up with AC wheels? There is mention in the manual of a recommendation to put resistors in the wagons, connected to the wheels, but no mention of DC, AC, or both? Besides the price difference, and accounting for a new layout what are the plus and minus of using the ECoSDetector for 3 rail and is there a comparable item say from LDT? r/Thomas Edited by user 03 September 2011 01:40:59(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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GSRR		#2 Posted : 01 September 2011 19:12:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		I orginally had seen this post, and it had some interesting points made by Lars, and others. marklin-users.net forum » General topics » Digital » DCC and MFX https://www.marklin-user...st12210_DCC-and-MFX.aspx IMHO, bi-direction communication is for trains, but I still want to hear, what benefit is intended? It sounds good, to have bi diectional communication, but is not enough. Märklin use it for identifying locos to the central and set address+functions to the central automaticcally. The same task could be done on a tradiontal DCC programming track, which is also bi-directional (power drawn pattern is sensed by central). But of course one would like the do things like 1. changing speed of a certain train when it reaches a certain place 2. trigger functions like putting on light, sounding the horn, at certain positions. 3. Trigger events like startinig other trains when one train is within a yard. 4. Issue functions like put on station light when a train enters. 5. More? For this, it's not enought that the trains could speak. The position must also be identfied. I could think of A. Separating the layout into lots of sections, and have detection circuits on power feed to all interesting section. Those detection would send the trains message together with its own identity on the system bus. Some problems like not very distinct position decisions, somewhat expensive power feed, B. Variation, each booster sends a power distrinct identification to it's segement, which would allow the decer to know it's position. Would cause shorting problems when switching between districts. C. Another signal could be used at layout positions; when a train gets there, it gets an IR signal, RFID identification or whatever which enables it to know it's position. One bad thing is that the detector typically is more complicated than the sender - and the detector must fit within the loco. D. Letting the train have a transmitter which sends information beside the track, IR , RFID or such. At certain points, detectors are positioned which identify the train and sends signals directly on the system bus. This does not need any two way communication. Uhlenbrock Lissy is of type D, with IR, which does not care about feedback. It's implementaion is with an intelligent (not cheap) receiver module, which is capable of issuing 1,2 and 4 above without help of other modules. I think perz has soemthing similar where the signal instead is handled by a computer, which of course may do anything. I have still not seen or heard of any other complete system that can perform tasks 1-4 out of the box. OK, Lissy needs complicated configuration, which could be compared with computer programming. But then, are there any computer programs available that utilize Railcom or digitrax "Transponder"? /Lars
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GSRR		#3 Posted : 01 September 2011 20:51:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Here are some diagrams from the manual. Contact Track wiring Switch Track wiring (Is this a reference to Marklin 24994 C Circuit Track) Track Current Sensing..........................interesting. 2 Booster wiring
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