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A good friend of mine has a Digitrax DCC system. Because I don't have a layout myself I am letting my trains run on his layout now and then. Now I just got a very nice (and expensive) sound equipped TRIX Gasturbine art # 22202, consisting of TWO (real) locomotives with motors but I think only one may have a decoder (probably SelecTrix ??). The two locomotives have always to be coupled together with the cars in between them. It looks like it has been programmed on address 3 (or 003). Unfortunately it does not do anything on his layout, it won't run an inch  . I also have a sound equipped TRIX BigBoy (22599) and also a TRIX SVT137 (22010) and they run perfectly on his layout. However it runs very good on the analog DC system of my club with front and taillights and lights lit in all 5 coaches albeit without sound I still haven't tried the 22202 on a different DCC system. I don't have a clue myself about what to do and what not to do. Is it possible than this TRIX 22202 is simply NOT compatible with DigiTrax DCC or could anyone give me any other suggestions ? Thanks, Jan jandejager attached the following image(s):
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Originally Posted by: jandejager  A good friend of mine has a Digitrax DCC system. Because I don't have a layout myself I am letting my trains run on his layout now and then. Now I just got a very nice (and expensive) sound equipped TRIX Gasturbine art # 22202, consisting of TWO (real) locomotives with motors but I think only one may have a decoder (probably SelecTrix ??). The two locomotives have always to be coupled together with the cars in between them. It looks like it has been programmed on address 3 (or 003). Unfortunately it does not do anything on his layout, it won't run an inch  . I also have a sound equipped TRIX BigBoy (22599) and also a TRIX SVT137 (22010) and they run perfectly on his layout. However it runs very good on the analog DC system of my club with front and taillights and lights lit in all 5 coaches albeit without sound I still haven't tried the 22202 on a different DCC system. I don't have a clue myself about what to do and what not to do. Is it possible than this TRIX 22202 is simply NOT compatible with DigiTrax DCC or could anyone give me any other suggestions ? Thanks, Jan What I think could happen here is that the DigiTrax system might be set to a different (earlier) DCC setting (e.G 27 speed steps?) Could also be that the decoder might need to be set to DCC and not Selectrix...but since I don't have the manual on this 222202, I couldn't tell. If you have access to an Intellibox, you might be able to figure this out easily, as you can switch between modes: Marklin-new or -old, DCC, Selectrix etc. Hope this helps |
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"It looks like it has been programmed to address 3" - are you sure? I know it's common to have new trains/decoders set to "3" in the DCC world, but are you sure this is the case?
My guess is: either as Jacques said, speed settings might be wrong, or it has another address programmed. |
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Originally Posted by: Fredrik  "It looks like it has been programmed to address 3" - are you sure? I know it's common to have new trains/decoders set to "3" in the DCC world, but are you sure this is the case?
My guess is: either as Jacques said, speed settings might be wrong, or it has another address programmed. Thanks Fredrik, I saw in the users manual that it has been set to address 3 from the fabric. It also says something about a Central Control 2000 (but I don't know what that means) that has be set for DCC operation. No-one has touched this train before I purchased it and my friend nor I didn't change anything either. So I am pretty certain that the address is "3". I copy a part here from that users manual : Function • Possible operating systems: NEM direct current (± 12 volts DC), DCC System (NMRA standard). • Selectrix operation: Central Control 2000 must be set for DCC operation for this train. • Different controllable light and sound functions when the model is operated with DCC. • Headlights change over with the direction of travel and vary in brightness according to the voltage present in the track, when the unit is operated with direct current. • Only available with DCC operation: Different parameters can be set (address, maximum speed, acceleration delay, braking delay, volume). Address set at the factory: 03. • Fitted multi-pole special coupling between the carriages. This coupling is only used for this model type and is not compatible with other coupling systems.
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I have no idea if the # of speedsteps set for a specific address in the command central matters, but it's either that or the decoder has another address anyway. As it works in analogue the decoder seems to work. Can't you perform an address search? (don't know if that's possible with Digitrax - if not: put it on the programming track and assign a new address to it!  |
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Originally Posted by: Fredrik  I have no idea if the # of speedsteps set for a specific address in the command central matters, but it's either that or the decoder has another address anyway. As it works in analogue the decoder seems to work. Can't you perform an address search? (don't know if that's possible with Digitrax - if not: put it on the programming track and assign a new address to it!  Thanks again Fredrik, if the decoder would be faulty I think it almost certainly wouldn't have run on the analogue track either. On the analogue track only ONE of the 2 loco's was able to move on its own. The other loco was dead on its own but was running when I coupled it to the other one (with the cars in between them). My friend won't be home for another week so I still have to wait. He is a good expert and I am sure he should be able to try out a few of your suggestions. Will of course let him know about your suggestions and also about the speedsettings from Jacques. Best Regards, Jan
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Originally Posted by: jandejager  Originally Posted by: Fredrik  I have no idea if the # of speedsteps set for a specific address in the command central matters, but it's either that or the decoder has another address anyway. As it works in analogue the decoder seems to work. Can't you perform an address search? (don't know if that's possible with Digitrax - if not: put it on the programming track and assign a new address to it!  Thanks again Fredrik, if the decoder would be faulty I think it almost certainly wouldn't have run on the analogue track either. On the analogue track only ONE of the 2 loco's was able to move on its own. The other loco was dead on its own but was running when I coupled it to the other one (with the cars in between them). My friend won't be home for another week so I still have to wait. He is a good expert and I am sure he should be able to try out a few of your suggestions. Will of course let him know about your suggestions and also about the speedsettings from Jacques. Best Regards, Jan As I said, try to have a DCC central unit (maybe a local friendly & competent dealer will have one for test in his shop, almost any brand will do) and put it in the programming mode. Put the two head units coupled together on the programming track to be sure you have power in both directions. This will let you read all kind of parameters, (also called CV) including address and the all important CV 29 which will tell you what the configuration is. Anything else seems to me like pure speculation... Good luck |
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You should try first to reset decoder. Are you sure that decoder in this Trix model stand at adress 3...? |
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Good idea, Goofy and Jacques. According to the users manual number 8 would totally reset the decoder. The dealer I bought my TRIX from is very friendly but not a real expert and doesn't have a testtrack either. I know here a TRIX/Marklin dealer who is nor friendly nor competent (if you want to have serious damage to your loco he is the one to go to  , but I give him a big miss already for 4 years), but luckily I also know one who is both friendly and competent and lives 50 kms from here. He also has a testtrack ! To be honest I hadn't thought about him yet because I haven't seen him for almost 2 years. Will let you know how I go ! Have a great day, Jan
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I would expect that the motor unit A functions on it's own, at least in one direction. When switching to the other direction, a relay is tripped, allowing the trainset to collect power from the motor unit that is at the front of the train. This means that the two motor units have to be connected for the trainset to operate properly in both directions, both in analog and in digital operation. I am not a DCC expert, but I am guessing that somewhere, the decoder has to be switched from Trix (Selectric) to DCC in order for it to operate on that system. This setting would not affect the analog operation of the trainset at all. The information for switching it to the appropriate system should be available in the instructions of the trainset and/or of the decoder.
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Originally Posted by: mike c  I would expect that the motor unit A functions on it's own, at least in one direction. When switching to the other direction, a relay is tripped, allowing the trainset to collect power from the motor unit that is at the front of the train. This means that the two motor units have to be connected for the trainset to operate properly in both directions, both in analog and in digital operation. I am not a DCC expert, but I am guessing that somewhere, the decoder has to be switched from Trix (Selectric) to DCC in order for it to operate on that system. This setting would not affect the analog operation of the trainset at all. The information for switching it to the appropriate system should be available in the instructions of the trainset and/or of the decoder.
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Mike C That also maybe something to think about Mike. As the manual says something like this : • Selectrix operation: Central Control 2000 must be set for DCC operation for this train In that case there maybe some switch on the decoder. I don't expect a decoder in both units. It seems easy enough to remove the body and try and find the decoder. There is an exploded view which shows where it is. Will keep this in mind as well. Thanks, Jan
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Originally Posted by: jandejager  In that case there maybe some switch on the decoder. There is a plug (see page 41 of the manual). But train should work in both positions AFAIK. This decoder doesn't support Selectrix, that's why Central Control 2000 must be set to DCC operation. Manual says: never use one locomotive alone. 14 speed steps are default, 28 or 126 speed steps are automatically detected (so that should be no problem). Default address 3. Writing 8 to CV 8 will reset the decoder to the factory settings. Manual can be found here: (copy URL to address field) The train should operate with both locomotives properly connected (check the plugs for bent pins). The address should be checked or re-programmed or reset the decoder. |
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I want to thank everyone for their contribution to have my TRIX problem resolved ! I just came from another good friend in Springwood who has an NCE DCC/DC layout and he managed to squeeze some very nice noise ehhh... sound out of it. He has reset it with value "8" and re-adressed it on long-address 1000. All sounds are working well now, it almost sounds like an aero-plane however. It runs on DC as well on DCC right now. He also found out that only ONE loco had a decoder. Definetely not a bad buy this TRIX but especially with the 3 extra cars NOT a bargain at all. Thankfully nothing special (like removing the bodies from the chassis) was needed to get it going. I find the present trains with sound sometimes quite complicated. In 1963 when I had my first loco's you just put them on the track and off they went. Today it can be a bit different sometimes. Greetings, Jan
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