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Offline monster134  
#1 Posted : 06 June 2011 22:06:48(UTC)
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Hi guys,

Well, whats to say.... I just got the new BR10 with dynamic steam, and frankly, I think it rewrote HO scale trains as we know them.

First off, the sound. This is what a loco should sound like. Everything is there. Every little detail sound, and finally, the shoveling of coal is muted, and the sound is like it should be. Secondly, the whistle... absolutely terrific. I actually jumped when i let it rip. Sounded like something was coming for me.

The actual steam sounds, is perfect. Right down to the safety valves, and how they did it, i dont know, but when she takes a grade, she slows down, and the actual sound deepens. It really is something to behold.

Then, the steam. I always said that i will buy the first dynamic steam loco available, and this loco, for realism, cant be beat. It is absolutely spectacular. Youve seen the Youtube videos, in real life, its even better. Steaming through my big top station, the cylinder steam like gets trapped, and once she is through, it lingers. Awesome.

The train.... well, i have placed it next to the Marklin BR10, and the lines are crisper. Every single rivet is there, and the bogeys are to scale. Its a mix of metal and plastic. The pipes on the boiler are thinner, and so are the frames around the windows. The wheels are metal, and the spokes finer than the Marklin.

Looking at them on the tracks, you wont be able to tell the Roco has a plastic boiler.

Ok, however, not everything is moonshine and roses. Its tender driven. So i have had it stall on a rise with 6 coaches behind it. Not neccesarily a traction issue, but more the second gripe i have with it. The cylinder smoke leaves the tracks wet after an hour or so of prolonged playing. So she lost traction.

My biggest problem with it, it was built to take max R3 corners. This means, 31 K-track bend will see it lift and derail. 41 she will take. I can hardly blame the loco for that, but to run this thing, the tracks would have to be perfect. The corners long. It wont go round my layout.

BUT, i will build a special track in the livingroom for it. Really, even if it means divorce. It is that spectacular. It is that special.

Come ROCO, give me a class 44 with this steam system.

Even better... come Marklin, it makes even your newest locos look like children's toys. GIVE US DYNAMIC SMOKE!!!!

I will take and post pictures later.
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 06 June 2011 23:14:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: monster134 Go to Quoted Post
I think it rewrote HO scale trains as we know them.

I don't care much for dynamic smoke. IMHO coaches with opening doors are more sensational.
MRR is a versatile hobby where everybody can pick her/his favourite.

The BR 10 has a distinctive whistle sound, different from all other German steamers.
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Offline Dimi194  
#3 Posted : 07 June 2011 00:48:36(UTC)
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Sounds spectacular! But its resistance to taking less than R3 curves is a little annoying; I only use R1 and R2 at the moment...
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Offline river6109  
#4 Posted : 07 June 2011 03:59:19(UTC)
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Riekus, thanks for the review.

I'm still astonished with Roco putting in an advanced smoke unit but they can't resolve the traction issue with the motor being in the tender.
They've already got a shaft going from the motor (tender) to the main driving wheels of the loco itself, all they have to do is to put 2 traction tyres onto these wheels and you never would have an issue about tender driven locos again.
I rather see a loco is able to pull the amount of carriages it suppose to be able to pull, including going up a hill, instead of having a premium sound-steam system, looks nice, sounds nice and it is nice to watch.

If Roco ever improves their traction force on their steam locos, they would sell thousand more and I would be broke or would have to come out of retirement and get a job to pay for it all.

I've looked at their steam locos and I've got 2 Roco steamers, 1 is the BR 18201 and I've added another motorized tender to it to increase the traction force and it runs ok.
the other problem I've found with Roco steam locos, the spokes are plastic and only the rim is metal.
Toe convert these Driving wheels with a rubber tyre, in my opinion, there isn't enough thickness there to carve a groove out, hence the comment made, very fine spokes.
I think Roco is trying to make the wheels as prototypical as possible whereas Marklin has chosen to have them a little bit fatter so you can add a traction tyre(s).

As Tom said we have all our personal likes and dislikes and for some, having the wrong whistle would be a total turn off.

Never the lees, Riekus you must be over the moon with this fantastic loco.

congratulations and I hope you enjoy every minute of it.

regards.,

John
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Offline AshleyH  
#5 Posted : 07 June 2011 09:52:03(UTC)
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Photos please!!!

I recently read a review of a product that lets you paint 'rubber' onto the wheels of a loco, ie. no need to cut a groove for a traction tyre. This could be an ideal solution to the Roco traction problem. I hope I still have the magazine with the review in so I can give you the product name.

EDIT : Just spotted that the list price of this loco is Euro 599....wow..gulp

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Offline AshleyH  
#6 Posted : 07 June 2011 10:21:03(UTC)
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The best video I can find on YouTube to demonstrate the smoke and sound is here



Interestingly if you listen at the end of the video on the slow speed run, you can hear what sounds like a servo motor pumping the smoke out. On another video this is picked up really strongly by the camera mic at all speeds.



Can you hear the smoke servo motor in real life?

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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 07 June 2011 11:17:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
They've already got a shaft going from the motor (tender) to the main driving wheels of the loco itself

Not with BR 10, only tender wheels are driven.
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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 07 June 2011 11:30:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
I recently read a review of a product that lets you paint 'rubber' onto the wheels of a loco....I hope I still have the magazine with the review in so I can give you the product name.


The product is called Bullfrog Snot, and has been used by some members here.


This loco has also been discussed in another thread:

https://www.marklin-user...mmoookin-ROCO-DB-10.aspx
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Offline river6109  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2011 12:26:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
They've already got a shaft going from the motor (tender) to the main driving wheels of the loco itself




Tom wrote:


Not with BR 10, only tender wheels are driven.
the reason behind because of the dynamic smoke producer ?

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Offline monster134  
#10 Posted : 07 June 2011 17:00:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: monster134 Go to Quoted Post
I think it rewrote HO scale trains as we know them.

I don't care much for dynamic smoke. IMHO coaches with opening doors are more sensational.
MRR is a versatile hobby where everybody can pick her/his favourite.

The BR 10 has a distinctive whistle sound, different from all other German steamers.

At the top of this room, it says Loco reviews. You dont care much for dynamic smoke, i do. Its not about just the smoke, its the package. A lot of effort went into this model. A lot. For realism, on layouts where we spend our lifes trying to make it look as realistic as possible, this is the loco to have. For anything to compete, Marklin will have to come to the party. Thats the bottom line. They have nothing to compete in this league. Whichever way you look at it, its setting new standards. BOOM! End of story.
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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#11 Posted : 07 June 2011 20:55:43(UTC)
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Hi All,

Just seen Pieter's video, looks amazing. Thanks for review.

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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 08 June 2011 00:08:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: monster134 Go to Quoted Post
At the top of this room, it says Loco reviews.

Right. From a loco review, I expect facts and personal reflections.

Originally Posted by: monster134 Go to Quoted Post
Whichever way you look at it, its setting new standards. BOOM! End of story.

That's your personal reflection and you have the right to say that.
IMHO it's five steps forward and two steps back (compared to M*'s BR 10). They could have done better. But I admit the price sets new standards.

German MRR magazine MIBA gives it 10 out of 10 points.
German MRR magazine Der Modelleisenbahner sounds sceptical.
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Offline Roger  
#13 Posted : 26 September 2011 19:46:08(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

I have to agree with Monster134.

The new Roco BR10 even with its traction problem and limited to only R3 radius, this unit is OUTSTANDING !!!

The quality of the sound effects is the best on the market at this moment on my opinion.

There are many nice details on different brands as opening doors, Marklin's 103 series catenary maintenance car, but yest this Roco dynamic smoke BR10 deserves a plus. It is amazing and impressive. Even if I will also as other have to use it in a separate track, it is well worth it.

I would like to see more of these happening in other locomotives and specially from Marklin.

regards,


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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 26 September 2011 20:46:13(UTC)
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My biggest problem with it, it was built to take max R3 corners. This means, 31 K-track bend will see it lift and derail. 41 she will take.
According to the specifications the minimum radius is 419 mm, so it should run on K-Track 31 curves, C-Track R2 curves, and M-Track 5200 curves.

Shame on Roco if it derails on 31 curves (424.6 mm radius).
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Offline fkowal  
#15 Posted : 29 May 2014 03:08:40(UTC)
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Roco 68193 AC/Digital is on sale at EuroRailhobbies.com for US$460.
A super price for such a unique item.

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