oh yes, the Miba reviews are very objective and Märklin friendly.

Sorry, but my opinion of Miba reviews is very low. Each time that on a Märklin model a rivet is displaced, following them it sounds like a natural catastrophic event.
If the competitors have plastic parts falling off during operation, it is nothing you cannot adjust with a little bit of glue. If there is some detail not prototipical, it is only minor issues.

So do not expect a positive review for this loco from Miba editorial group.

rgds

Stephan

I found the Stummi forum amusing.

In there (the E17 critique), some contributors were criticising Marklin about having a "slider" (pickup) in the centre.

Now that is weird.

In my experience (50 years with 2 rail), the quality and manufacture methods of Marklin are much superior. And as a bonus, all the models that I have, look great to me.

regards
Kimball

Hi Tom,
And an electric motor in the boiler (or worse, the tender), is in the same category.


regards

Kimball

Pictures of 37061.

Run smooth on C-tracks 1st radius, some turnouts find no issue, Sounds very good.

Bit light weight that E18.

Looks like a flipping nice model to me. But being from the islands I don't know about such
things as perspective and so on. Wish I had one though

Jeremy.

Have you test on M-track 5120?

The E 17 was announced as "Completely new tooling."
The trucks look very similar to the trucks of the E 18. There should be differences inside as different types of motors have been used.

I think Lutz has more than a few Roco locos!

He he he,,, Me too !

Some prototype pictures (please note the position of the running wheels and the two "horns" in front of the running wheels):
http://www.eisenbahnstif...&num=7&br=e%2017
http://www.eisenbahnstif...&num=4&br=e%2017
http://www.eisenbahnstif...&num=3&br=e%2017
http://www.eisenbahnstif...pic&num=0&br=117

And some model pictures (please note the position of the running wheels and the void in front of the running wheels):
http://img510.imageshack...img510/6065/dsc9708u.jpg
http://www.lokdepot.de/i.../popup_images/6387_0.jpg

An electric motor in the boiler is absolutly fine, in fact the only practical solution, for electric trains, models or otherwise
My E 17 is finally on it's way after I asked LS to send it incl a total of some 600+ eu of other items. A big enough parcel, just hope HMNZ Customs arn't reading this forum

Hello all,
In the meantime, mine has reached the layout and has been doing its rounds with a nice long rake (10!) Schürzenwagen.
It is simply perfect, as a loco for a model railroad where trains *run* IMHO.
I can easily live with the little deviations from "true scales".
The details on the roof are simply perfect, as they should: isn't it the part of an E-lok you see the most while it runs on the layout?

As you'd expect from yours truly I spent some time looking at "the new" drive concept.
It is simply a classical worm and pinion, pretty much like the rest of the industry today, except that the worm and gears are metal, and precision machine ground (as opposed to stamped and injected/moulded plastic))

It is very smooth,and has a nice "natural" inertia. ("Auslauf")

Excellent job here Märklin!

Although I essentially run Swiss trains on my Gotthard inspiration layout, this one will be a regular visitor on the Torre del Fabro layout (The "excuse" being: for comparison purposes with the SBB Ae 4/7 and Ae 4/6....)

Cheers

In my shop in Barcelona on insider models with coupon applies to me a 10% of discount
On the catalogue models a 22%

Hello all,

After running this little wonder for about two months, I am happy to report that I am very happy with the way this one runs, regardless of what some may have been complaining about.

I took the time to look at it closely, because it is my first purchase of a Märklin loco with this type of drive train..

As far as running characteristics are concerned, it is just perfect.

I have had it pulling a train made of 12 tin plate 24 cm coaches (40xx type) for most of the time. (I know it is not prototypîcal, and that the loco deserves a "better" consist, but this one just happens to be my "benchmarking" train that I use to test new locos with. (48 axles with higher friction and heavy construction...)

The drive is silent, smooth, seemingly trouble free, and very powerful.

What impresses me the most though is the build quality, something that is hard to judge for most of us, unless you have been involved in design and manufacturing of "precision mechanics"

And "mechanically" speaking , I'll venture to say that this is far better than most Märklin locos I have seen in a long time.

I spent time measuring and checking the power train, and this is where I am convinced *major* progress has been made at Märklin.

Mainly, the cut quality and precision of the gears is impressive.
I had a hunch of that when I visited the factory in 2010 and saw the gear cutting machines at work.
These are watchmaker grade parts, no more no less.

Visual inspection reveals perfect surfaces, and just slight marks (essentially on the worm gear) even after all the hours of running under fairly heavy load.

All gears are brass or steel, and machined, not stamped like in old days.

I also looked at the gears' spacing intervals, and there again, spot on! (at least within the means I have for measuring i.e. within 1/100 mm )
Interestingly, there is a slight undercut (about 0.02 mm) on the first gear (the one driven by the worm) which makes perfect sense to minimize friction, but without creating undue backlash.

This is the main reason why it runs so smooth and almost silent!

The assembly of the whole thing is very clean, wiring is orderly, as usual on Märklin loks.

Yes I am happy with this purchase: I'll dare say that Märklin makes (again!) the best model trains in the world, (... along with HAG..if like me, you fancy Swiss trains of course!)

For what we get, the price we pay for Märklin locos is a bargain! (Yes, I have my flame retardant outfit on...)

Cheers

I hope you like the 37061, Jacques.

Jaques,
Thanks for taking the time to give us your indepth technical survey of the E17.
My one finally arrived a couple of weeks ago, and I too was impressed with the smooth running, now I know why

Jacques,

I must admit I haven't bought any new loco(s) from any new stock or design, having read your article I may consider going all out for a newbe.

John

Finally it has arrived, many thanks Noel, I hope your mate passes on my thanks like he did my complaint

Have to agree with Jacques, she runs absolutely mangnificent.

Here's a video to prove it.





More pictures to follow.

Nice video !

The E-17 look's great,,, I'm picking up mine on thuersday on my way to Intermodellbau in Dortmund

Oh...nice video !
I do like the "travelling shots"...also the sound of the train on track ...It seems to be a reallistic full speed as well...(about 110/120 km/h ?)

On the CS2 controller I had it at three quarters, I'm not going to mention what it read in kms, cos it sure wasn't doing that in scale speed

On the other hand I had it going at the first notch on the CS2 controller, amazing slow speed.

Really, really, really lovely loco, it was worth the wait

Very good video, Enjoy your new E17 Dusan.

Hi Dusan,
Thanks for the video, very enjoyable. It reminds me of watching 46 class electric trains at speed on their way to Gosford in the 60s.

Anyway, about the E17, apparently the real thing was very iconic. I was reading about the Orient Express in the mid-30s, and their was a photo of it hauling the train out of Stuttgart on its way to Munich during daylight hours.

Hi Jacques,
Nice comments about the modelling capability of the Marklin team. I am for ever amazed, and surprised, by what these guys (and gals) come up with. Cultures cross/permeate generations.

In playing with my Hornby Dublo stuff, which was born in the late 30s, and folded in 1964, I feel the same respect. Pity they did not persist, like Marklin.

regards
Kimball

I guess we must be reading the same (vintage) books showing pictures of actual trains...
From what we see on the Märklin TV channel, there are also a couple of (young) Hungarian gentlemen in the design/construction team.

In the same train of thoughts (pun intended!) I am impatient to see how this year Insider Model, the "Donald Duck" ET403, will perform!
The thing has *two* underfloor motors in the powered car, with unobstructed view through the passengers' compartment.

If it runs as well as the Gottardo RAe TEE and the E17 we are in for another treat!

We will spend more than our PIB this year again...

Cheers