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 Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Hello everyone! I have come over a problem that i think its a bit strange i bought both of these locos new As for the 36336 it just won't run, the MFX does not seem to react when you put it on the track, wheels and everything is free and rolling so no blockage there either. I use the CS2 and it did work before, and i had the loco off the track for sometime, and when i was about to use it again it just didn't work, even with the settings from last time i used it. So does anyone have any thoughts on what might causing this problem? does anyone know? And the TRIX 22352 it runs, no problem in that department BUT i only stutters around the track. its no fun to run it at all, suddenly it runs fine, and then stop for some secs and then it jumps ahead. It is the original DCC decoder in this one, i suspect that this is causing trouble? any tips regarding these locos would be very appreciated  Thanks for reading |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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No one with any thoughts of this? |
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 Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
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36336 This won't have a MFX decoder unless some one added it.
Most likely its a digital decoder with dip switches and will be set with a factory address. |
DT
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Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
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Try adding the Lok form the "data base", if the factory address has not been changed it should work. |
DT
Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail
era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's. |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Originally Posted by: dntower85  36336 This won't have a MFX decoder unless some one added it.
Most likely its a digital decoder with dip switches and will be set with a factory address. Hello No one has added a MFX decoder for on this, it was bought brand new. and the box says that it has MFX so i belive the box no it does not has dip switches. I have also tried added it from the database more then one time but still no luck with getting it running. thanks for your reply |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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 Here you go, here is a shot of the box |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC)
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Hi! Originally Posted by: Christoffer It is the original DCC decoder in this one, i suspect that this is causing trouble? I don't know which decoder you have, but I have some Trix locos with original DCC decoders - and no problems. In general they should work. Stutter? Could be a contact problem: between rails and wheels, between wheels and loco, between centre rail and slider (I presume it was converted), or somewhere else. |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Originally Posted by: H0 Hi! Originally Posted by: Christoffer It is the original DCC decoder in this one, i suspect that this is causing trouble? I don't know which decoder you have, but I have some Trix locos with original DCC decoders - and no problems. In general they should work. Stutter? Could be a contact problem: between rails and wheels, between wheels and loco, between centre rail and slider (I presume it was converted), or somewhere else. Hello! i don't know the name of it either, its 21 pin without chords on it. The loco seems to run, but suddenly it stops completely and runs and this repeats its self all around the layout, it was converted yes and bought brand new. i have set it to pick up - from both side of the loco. its very frustrating to have it like this, i really wanna run these two thanks for the answer |
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Joined: 27/07/2010(UTC)
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Hi Christffer,
Try to run the 36336 on fx, i.e. using good old MM format or if you can run it analog. (Check the manual to get the digital MM address for it, that is always listed for people running it on the 6021.) If it runs on analog but not on MM, reset the decoder and try again. If it doesn't run on analog, clean the ski, the wheels and check the wiring and solderered joints to make sure juice gets to the decoder and from there to the motor.
As for the Trix, it probably just needs thourough cleaning and checking as per above.
Good luck,
Robert
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 Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,239 Location: Montreal, QC
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Regarding the 36336, the first thing that I would do is to try it on analog if you have an older transformer. Check to see whether it works. I am not whether you can safely test it using the straight AC outlets on the transformer if you do not have a separate analog transformer. As the last poster mentioned, try manually entering the address listed in the instructions (for the old 6021). The other thing that comes to mind is the possibility that the lok has been switched to receive power from the catenary.
If you can not safely test it in analog, do you either have a friend or a dealer in your area where you could test it in analog mode or on a different digital controller?
Have you tried to reboot your CS2? It may just recognize the lok again after a reboot has been performed.
Good luck
Mike C
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Hello guys!
thanks for all the answers regarding these two, i have tried all your methods but none of them worked on my two troublemakers sadly enough. I got the trix running slow on a analog, but the lights were flashing in like red light district.. no fun at all, as for the märklin 36336 the motor wont turn when it gets power. it locks up and just stand there humming. but when you turn it with you fingers it goes freely no problem at all. gonna take this one back to the dealer, i don't see any other options with it
thanks for the answers ! |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Hi all. Been awhile on this topic. Today i've been trying out diffrent CV's on the Trix T44 model without any luck. Since i am so sick of this problem i have put together a little video for you guys to see for your self whats going on : Look at the lights. Something is very very wrong. Sorry, for the filming. I took the shots with my mobile. Anyways, i hope someone can shed light on this problem. Christoffer |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
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Hey! You are not alone to have this problem!!! Check in another forum: www.svensktmjforum.seYou are from Norway so i suppose you too understand swedish language. In fact...it´s SDS motor and PCP in the T44 model that was already default at factory! Amazing that Marklin/Trix did anyway sell those models which hundreds of customer in Sweden did had problem with this model T44!!!  |
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DCC = Digital Command Control
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 Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland
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Hi Christoffer,
Did you get that 36336 fixed? If yes, what did you do to get it running? Did it work in analog mode or with a MM address 1-80? Was the problem with mfx or not? I will buy this 36336 model also in the future to have one more NSB locomotive with my NSB Nohabs and a63 steamer (when I get it).
Cheers,
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Hey! You are not alone to have this problem!!! Check in another forum: www.svensktmjforum.seYou are from Norway so i suppose you too understand swedish language. In fact...it´s SDS motor and PCP in the T44 model that was already default at factory! Amazing that Marklin/Trix did anyway sell those models which hundreds of customer in Sweden did had problem with this model T44!!! Hey Yes i managed to understand this by searching google.. but what i didn't find is a possible fix to this. I have put the T44 on halt for now due to decoder issues. I'll report back when its fixed. Have you seen any fix for this model? Does the märklin model has the same issues? Thanks for replying. |
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Hi Christoffer,
Did you get that 36336 fixed? If yes, what did you do to get it running? Did it work in analog mode or with a MM address 1-80? Was the problem with mfx or not? I will buy this 36336 model also in the future to have one more NSB locomotive with my NSB Nohabs and a63 steamer (when I get it).
Cheers,
Janne Janne, Yes i did. Motor issues, in this model there are 4 pins that connects the motor to the PCB. these pins were not pushing hard enough to the connectors on the motors, There was no decoder problem on this model, only a minor motor issue  Other than that, it is a fantastic model, it is a very strong engine! Christoffer. |
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Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Christoffer Originally Posted by: Goofy Hey! You are not alone to have this problem!!! Check in another forum: www.svensktmjforum.seYou are from Norway so i suppose you too understand swedish language. In fact...it´s SDS motor and PCP in the T44 model that was already default at factory! Amazing that Marklin/Trix did anyway sell those models which hundreds of customer in Sweden did had problem with this model T44!!! Hey Yes i managed to understand this by searching google.. but what i didn't find is a possible fix to this. I have put the T44 on halt for now due to decoder issues. I'll report back when its fixed. Have you seen any fix for this model? Does the märklin model has the same issues? Thanks for replying. Yes in fact there was an article in swedish massmedia(Allt Om Hobby with Rutger Friberg) about how to fix bug problems with SDS motor and decoder. He did changed out motor to Faulhaber and decoder. After that the locomotiv start much better!!! I´m not sure if Marklin/Trix did decides to support customer to fix the problems in free charge... |
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DCC = Digital Command Control
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Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 760
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: Christoffer Originally Posted by: Goofy Hey! You are not alone to have this problem!!! Check in another forum: www.svensktmjforum.seYou are from Norway so i suppose you too understand swedish language. In fact...it´s SDS motor and PCP in the T44 model that was already default at factory! Amazing that Marklin/Trix did anyway sell those models which hundreds of customer in Sweden did had problem with this model T44!!! Hey Yes i managed to understand this by searching google.. but what i didn't find is a possible fix to this. I have put the T44 on halt for now due to decoder issues. I'll report back when its fixed. Have you seen any fix for this model? Does the märklin model has the same issues? Thanks for replying. Yes in fact there was an article in swedish massmedia(Allt Om Hobby with Rutger Friberg) about how to fix bug problems with SDS motor and decoder. He did changed out motor to Faulhaber and decoder. After that the locomotiv start much better!!! I´m not sure if Marklin/Trix did decides to support customer to fix the problems in free charge... Oh okey, i need to check my decoder again then. I want to make it run.. i had it now for more than a year and it have been sitting more in the box than on the rails. due to the problem you see in the video above, no fun to run it.. Thats no problem, if you want it done you need to fix it your self! |
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 Joined: 05/08/2018(UTC) Posts: 1 Location: Stockholms lan, Stockholm
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Originally Posted by: Christoffer Hello everyone! I have come over a problem that i think its a bit strange i bought both of these locos new As for the 36336 it just won't run, the MFX does not seem to react when you put it on the track, wheels and everything is free and rolling so no blockage there either. I use the CS2 and it did work before, and i had the loco off the track for sometime, and when i was about to use it again it just didn't work, even with the settings from last time i used it. So does anyone have any thoughts on what might causing this problem? does anyone know? And the TRIX 22352 it runs, no problem in that department BUT i only stutters around the track. its no fun to run it at all, suddenly it runs fine, and then stop for some secs and then it jumps ahead. It is the original DCC decoder in this one, i suspect that this is causing trouble? any tips regarding these locos would be very appreciated Hi.. Its a long time after this still it is really interesting because I have bought a Trix T44 from a reseller here in Sweden...It do function very well on analog drive and it is no problem with that . Then I try it digitally and woooow. NO sound...I wondered why and tok a look inside and can you believe!!! NO speakers. Great...Do still Märklin do not have more speakers to the locomotives? Edited by moderator 30 December 2021 02:22:23(UTC)
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 Joined: 20/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 125 Location: Thessaloniki, Greece
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iF you use a CS2 try shutting down the CS2 and "kill" the power that goes to it. Then try it again. I beleive somethig is going wrong with the DCC protocol. At least that is happening to my few DCC locos. If you have CS3, I don't know how to help you. I haven't seen this behaviour with MS2.
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Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,239 Location: Montreal, QC
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For the record, the 36336 responds to the address 33. The lok is equipped with mfx but the instructions do not provide a mfx address for MS/CS.
Regards
Mike C
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 Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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your video shows your loco starting and stopping continuously , it could be the decoder shuts itself down because of an overload problem., look at the wiring and make sure all wires are soldered properly.
John |
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 Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,
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One other thing you could check. If the trip loco was converted from two rail operation, when the pick up shoe was added, did they bridge the two sides of the wheels together? If the earth is only coming from one side it will make the loco more prone to poor contact on the rails. I have fixed many locos for people that had poor running due to a simple earthing problem.
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Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,043 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.
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Any chance you can give that section of rail you did the video clip on a good clean especially the center rail / studs & try the test again & see what happens. Center rail might have a build up dirt / corrosion on it & this loco is maybe sensitive to it. I have a RE4/4 "Cargo" with ESU decoder & it behaves similarly to this if it travels on contaminated track. Just an observation I am making. file:///C:/DATA/MARKLIN%...nical/36336_explo%20.pdf |
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