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Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 24 April 2011 05:20:00(UTC)
cookee_nz

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From time to time various 'bricks & mortar' auctioneers do specialist auctions on Toys, Trains, Dolls etc.

I did try to find out if there were any local ones when we moved here without any luck and then see I missed right here in Melbourne only a couple of months ago which although it only had a small amount of Marklin I would still have enjoyed taking a look at and seeing what else what on offer.

I'm sure many of us know of Auction Houses that hold these auctions from time to time and surely it would be a good thing to share that around? - yeah yeah I know you want to keep it secret in the hope that no more competition comes along but that's just the way it is. I'll kick it off with a couple

New Zealand - Wellington CBD - Dunbar Sloane http://www.dunbarsloane.co.nz/
- hold a Toy Auction often including trains and frequently with Marklin about 1-2 times each year. Last one was December 2010 so another is sure to be held in the next few months

Melbourne Australia - Leonard Joel, Chadstone http://leonardjoel.com.au/
- had auction with some Marklin last year and another in Feb. 2011 (mostly auto's, two start sets)

There's a couple for starters, I'm sure others can add more, and more importantly, let others know when the next one is coming

Oh and here's a site some may find useful for searching advance auctions...

http://www.antiquesreporter.com.au

Cheers

Cookee
Melbourne

Edited by moderator 26 April 2011 19:17:17(UTC)  | Reason: Topic made sticky, good use for everyone

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 24 April 2011 06:49:09(UTC)
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Here's a link to the last Dunbar Sloane Toy auction Cookee referred to

http://www.dunbarsloane....ers-previous_auctions_88
Offline cookee_nz  
#3 Posted : 24 April 2011 07:24:41(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Here's a link to the last Dunbar Sloane Toy auction Cookee referred to

http://www.dunbarsloane....ers-previous_auctions_88


Cheers Dave, I was going to add that but then overlooked it and figured some kind soul would add it instead

BigGrin
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#4 Posted : 24 April 2011 07:51:57(UTC)
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The Leonard Joel auction you referenced last February had some good Marklin offerings (only a few pieces)...I was able to pick up some interesting items. Most of the big Marklin auctions are in Germany, the US, and the UK. Other places like Spain, Italy, and France do have Marklin in their auctions, but I have found that they offer more in "galleries."

However, eBay still is the most convenient way to find good, quality Marklin pieces although I must say, live bidding is much more exhilarating -- especially when the zeros keep adding on to the bid amount and the bid increment is at $1000 or $10000.

Best regards,

Paul
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 24 April 2011 10:31:26(UTC)
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The Vectis UK selling lots of Marklin in past auctions included boxed rare Marklin LMS compound for £25,000.

I have some sucessful bids from him on Marklin 37050 BR05 Insider and other stuff few years ago.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#6 Posted : 08 November 2011 00:20:06(UTC)
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They are of little value and as such need to be sent to me.

BigGrin BigGrin ,

Jeremy.
Jeremy.

1). If at first you don't succeed, bungee jumping mightn't be for you.
2). The early bird may get the worm, but it's the second rat that gets the cheese.
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#7 Posted : 08 November 2011 00:38:42(UTC)
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HA! These guys are too cool to go anywhere, I just need to insure them with the rest of the collection. No idea how to put an accurate number on them though
FS + SBB Era 2-5 and Vintage Marklin
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#8 Posted : 08 November 2011 02:35:43(UTC)
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I suppose it depends on what your insurance company requires. None of the cars/trucks is worth over $200, but I don't think you'll be able to find a book value on them. You could always quote an auction result and then save that if your insurance company would require it.

Paul
Offline cookee_nz  
#9 Posted : 08 November 2011 05:57:56(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
I suppose it depends on what your insurance company requires. None of the cars/trucks is worth over $200, but I don't think you'll be able to find a book value on them. You could always quote an auction result and then save that if your insurance company would require it.

Paul


I'm with Paul,

Get some relatively recent auction results and print those out.

Don't forget to remind your insurer that your purpose in insuring them is to provide for their REPLACEMENT cost should you need to.

Recent actual sales figures should be accepted as a reasonable reflection of what it would cost you to get replacements.

Cheers

Steve
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Offline cookee_nz  
#10 Posted : 26 June 2013 08:36:46(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Auction Watch - Melbourne 27th June (tomorrow)

For those in or around Melbourne, Leonard Joel are having a Toy Auction with just three Marklin items but worth watching if you are after an SK800, HR800 or a Green ST800 Middle Coach - all look to be in top condition.

http://auctions.leonardj...sults.asp?pg=3&ps=25

Lots 64, 65, & 66

http://auctions.leonardjoel.com.au/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=LJ5760++++64+&refno=40201065&saletype=

http://auctions.leonardjoel.com.au/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=LJ5760++++65+&refno=40201091&saletype=

http://auctions.leonardjoel.com.au/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=LJ5760++++66+&refno=40201090&saletype=

If I were still there, I'd be there!

Cheers

Cookee
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#11 Posted : 26 June 2013 16:08:00(UTC)
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Unfortunately they're all repainted (although not 100% sure about the SK) and with replica Italian cartons instead of original boxes. Still great items but just make sure to bid accordingly!

Best regards,

Paul
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Offline cookee_nz  
#12 Posted : 27 June 2013 06:45:36(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
Unfortunately they're all repainted (although not 100% sure about the SK) and with replica Italian cartons instead of original boxes. Still great items but just make sure to bid accordingly!

Best regards,

Paul


They do have that almost 'too tidy' look about them, but very hard to tell from a picture like that. All are unsold so either no bids or reserve was not met.

Perhaps someone 'testing the water'?

BigGrin Blink
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#13 Posted : 27 June 2013 09:41:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
Unfortunately they're all repainted (although not 100% sure about the SK) and with replica Italian cartons instead of original boxes. Still great items but just make sure to bid accordingly!

Best regards,

Paul


It's good that you've mentioned. I didn't trust the box of the HR because I thought for such an early hr it should be the grey type box but the repaint haven't even crossed my mind. I was going to consider calling them but not now.
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#14 Posted : 27 June 2013 16:30:09(UTC)
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A little hint....the perforation on the box tape is incorrect on all fake boxes...one can immediately distinguish.

As for repainting, it takes a little more experience and the general feel.....shows signs of Ritter.

Paul
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#15 Posted : 28 June 2013 05:19:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
A little hint....the perforation on the box tape is incorrect on all fake boxes...one can immediately distinguish.

As for repainting, it takes a little more experience and the general feel.....shows signs of Ritter.

Paul


To be frank, at first glance I've got overly exited with the way the HR looked but I did not compared it with photos from Koll to see if it was right. If it's Ritter is probably not too bad -in my eyes- but it could have been much worse. One photo only and no close ups should always put you on alert but I didn't do my homework.Blushing They probably had a reserve a tad too high too so is not a great loss.

Regarding the box, am I right to think that kind of version would have come in one of the earlier boxes and not a red one?
Offline Tiki734  
#16 Posted : 28 June 2013 06:17:33(UTC)
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It was pretty obvious that the boxes were replicas and engines repaints. However the boxes are not cheap and they looked to be well painted and if it was Ritter then I would estimate that a recondition and paint would be $500's plus. So the reserve prices looked pretty reasonable from what the new owner will have.
Roger
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#17 Posted : 28 June 2013 10:17:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Iamnotthecrazyone Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
A little hint....the perforation on the box tape is incorrect on all fake boxes...one can immediately distinguish.

As for repainting, it takes a little more experience and the general feel.....shows signs of Ritter.

Paul


Regarding the box, am I right to think that kind of version would have come in one of the earlier boxes and not a red one?


Usually Ritter butchers the model because they only make certain versions of the parts. If a pre-war HR 800 comes in they'll retrofit it with their brand new post-war HR 800 parts and not know the difference. But looking at this HR 800 model, it's mostly from 1946 (although hard to say as most parts are replica / replaced). In any case it would have a red diamond box but with a lighter red color, more of a pink, and the cardboard is thinner. Would have had a large orange/white label with a large inscription "HR 800." Italians don't make a good reproduction of this version box so they used their later 50s style box.

Best regards,

Paul
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Offline LMS800  
#18 Posted : 28 June 2013 20:20:32(UTC)
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I have great fears to judge from a photo the correct (original) color of any item.
Light as well flash light have great influence on the color.
A loco cleaned with special oil (eg SR 24 ) appears in different color compared with an “uncleaned” loco.
But I agree with Paul, the boxes are “Italian made”.

Kind regards
Wolf
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#19 Posted : 28 June 2013 22:27:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
I have great fears to judge from a photo the correct (original) color of any item.
Light as well flash light have great influence on the color.
A loco cleaned with special oil (eg SR 24 ) appears in different color compared with an “uncleaned” loco.
But I agree with Paul, the boxes are “Italian made”.

Kind regards
Wolf


Hello Wolf,

You're right a photo can only say so much about the model but a large majority of our hobby is done over the internet and so we must use photos to judge an item's condition. I also know what you're saying about the oil and the effect that it makes.

I've been following Leonard Joel auctions for some time and it helps to see all of their other Marklin items in comparison. Almost all of their offerings have been restored and I can only think of Ritter that does work of this quality and style. Especially all of their ST locos were repainted and very well done.

Some of their past auctions:

http://www.antiquesrepor...Refine+Search&page=1

Best regards,

Paul

PS. Leonard Joel is a very fine auction house and I've bought Marklin from them before and they were very helpful with arranging shipping and the item turned out to be in excellent shape.
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#20 Posted : 29 June 2013 01:05:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
I have great fears to judge from a photo the correct (original) color of any item.
Light as well flash light have great influence on the color.
A loco cleaned with special oil (eg SR 24 ) appears in different color compared with an “uncleaned” loco.

Kind regards
Wolf


I couldn't agree more specially when there aren't sufficient photos to judge properly. Paul has a very good point which is a lot of the offerings in the past seem to come from the same source and while they look very good they also make you more inclined to believe there were restaurations involved.

That's probably a good auction house to keep an eye on but even if they are very helpful I still prefer buying directly from a serious train collector or specialist on ebay or equivalent venue. Where the item would be properly shown and described more or less in a more accurate/complete way and you can also ask questions to someone who knows what they are talking about.
Offline Webmaster  
#21 Posted : 30 April 2014 22:39:56(UTC)
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Please don't forget to add interesting auction house sales here in this topic... Smile
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#22 Posted : 29 May 2017 21:00:11(UTC)
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Hi Marklin friends,

We haven't used this thread in a while -- do we still want it to be the place where we post upcoming auctions? I noticed the title says "not online" but do we want to exclude those? It seems almost all auctions are both in-person and online or just strictly online now.

Here is one coming up that I wanted to share with many wonderful Marklin pieces (one lot from the auction):

Marklin SE 800

I haven't purchased before from auktionshaus EPPLI but their terms seem fair and the items are quality.

Best,

Paul
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Offline Jordaens  
#23 Posted : 12 June 2017 15:43:16(UTC)
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Hello everyone,

Considering this is the auction thread, I'll make my post here. We've had a interesting group of Märklin trains come in, doing some research I landed on this forum, specifically when searching for the Luxemburg model 3063.
We're a regular Arts & Antiques auction located in Belgium, but sometimes we do come across items like these.

This is a 'real life' auction that'll happen on the 27th and 28th of June, but it is open for written bids on the website (just register and set a maximum - you could get it for lower if no bid exceeds your own). A phone bid on the night itself is also possible.

If any additional photographs are requested, I'll definitely try to get those uploaded to the site and lots in question.


- Luxemburg model 3063

- Model 3067
- Model 3134
- Models 4210, 4211, 4214 (and 43397 2x 3390 trix)
- models-3128-4042-4046-4077-4082-4083-4159 (and model-3128-primex)
- Steam locomotive br96 - Gilded
- 11 wagons, Wagons: 4064, 4085, 4087, 4090, 4169 (2X), 4224, 4294, 4296 & 4269 (2x). Locomotive: 3159 elektrolok krokodil 1020.
- 12 wagons, models 4026, 4037 (3x), 4044, 4052 (3x), 4131, 4132 (2X) & 4133.
- Models 4051, 4053, 4054, 4064 & 4188.
- models 4092 (2x), 4096, 4111, 4112G & 4225.


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