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G'day everyone, Although I have visited the site a few times recently I have been a bit quiet. Now just because I mention Fleischmann, please do not sent me to the Marklin re-education camp just yet. I have a friend who has inherited some Fleischmann gear. Unfortunately neither of us knows anything about the operation of Fleischmann trains.  (Marklin is my thing.) The question is that some of the Fleischmann locos have what appears to be a round silver pickup shoe, looks a bit like a button. Is this for Fleischmann locos designed to run on 3 tail track eg Marklin or did we miss the point entirely? Any help would be much appreciated. chhers Bob  |
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 Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,234 Location: Montreal, QC
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I have seen the same round object on the underside of the bogie on Fleischmann loks too. I do know for sure that they are not third rail pickups like Maerklin. Fleischmann's limited 3 rail AC models are equipped with sliders very similar to the traditional Maerklin sliders. The object you refer to has a purpose, but it is not for current collecting. It may serve to activate some function that can be triggered when that object passes over a sensor or switch on the track. Hopefully someone can tell us the exact purpose of this feature.
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Mike C
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Joined: 21/06/2010(UTC)
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Hi Mike, thanks for the reply regarding the pickup/sensor. You may be corect. I read something in one of the Fleischmann catalogues about locos activating turnouts etc, but I would still like to know how this all works.
Thanks
Bob. |
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Hi, Bob,
Märklin trains have centre rail pickups to trigger circuit tracks, two-rail locos have this thingy for the same purpose.
Nothing wrong with Fleischmann: several Fleischmann items have been and are still sold in Märklin boxes. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for that information, I am still a bit of a novice with regards to HO trains. So I really appreciate it when members of the forum help me out.
regards
Bob. |
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 Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,597 Location: Beverly, MA
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Hi all,
The button is there to trigger functions(signals,switches),they are not present of FL AC loks,nor are they on all DC loks.
Dr D
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Hi Bob,
Don't really know too much about Fleischmann trains but I know that some of their coaches are of sufficiently high quality that they
were used by HAG for their Nachtzug Maur train. Suggests that they are of good quality. Can't help with the mushroom thingy though.
(I belive this is the case, if wrong grateful for correction).
Jeremy. |
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 Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,061 Location: FRANCE
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Hi, I've bought a few years ago a set of three Fleischmann thunderboxes. They are really great with a lot of details and no need to replace the DC axles. I've just had a problem when I tried to equip them with the Märklin close couplers (Fleischmann has its own incompatible close coupling system). I discovered that the Fleischmann buffers on these coaches are wider and maybe a bit lower than Märklin ones, so when passing small radius curves, the Märklin coupler had not enough room and was hitting the bottom of the buffer and pushing on the coach until it was derailing. So I put back the Fleischmann close couplers one them and bought a fourth thunder box this time a Märklin one with a Märklin close coupler on one side and a Fleischmann close coupler on the other side. This was the only way for me to use the Fleischmann coaches on a train pulled by a Märklin locomotive, with close couplers. I'm not sure to be very clear  Fleischmann locomotives have their entire chassis connected to one DC pole called "ground". So the mushroom under is also connected to ground and is this way used to detect train when passing on a special track. So a big danger of shortcut on 3rails tracks. Regards Joël |
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 Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride  Hi, ...
I discovered that the Fleischmann buffers on these coaches are wider and maybe a bit lower than Märklin ones, so when passing small radius curves, the Märklin coupler had not enough room and was hitting the bottom of the buffer and pushing on the coach until it was derailing.
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Regards
Joël
I have found this same 'other brand' problem, mainly on passenger coaches. I haven't actually done it, but I believe you might be able to chop off the bottom part of the buffer. It will not spoil the appearance too much. regaards Kimball |
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Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas
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Over the years, I have acquired a number of Fleischmann coaches, especially those of older design from eras I, II and early era III. I cannot begin to tell you how extremely satisfied I am with Fleischmann in terms of both fine detail and robustness, at the same time. I think their coaches are simple exquisite. And they run without any problems on Märklin C-track and switches. |
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Armando García
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride I've just had a problem when I tried to equip them with the Märklin close couplers
(Fleischmann has its own incompatible close coupling system).
I discovered that the Fleischmann buffers on these coaches are wider and maybe a bit lower than Märklin ones,
so when passing small radius curves, the Märklin coupler had not enough room
and was hitting the bottom of the buffer and pushing on the coach until it was derailing. It's a known problem of the Märklin close couplers: they are too high and do not fit on all 3rd party products (on Märklin rolling stock buffers are too high, too, so there is no problem). Easy solution: use Roco universal couplers. They are lower, they work fine with Märklin close couplers and they are even better than Märklin's: Roco's couplers connect more easily. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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Hi everyone, Thank you very much for all the information you have provided. It certainly has cleared up the application of the mushroom button. The one thing that confused us a bit was that not all of the locomotives had that button, but that is also covered. thanks to all cheers Bob. |
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Joined: 23/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 2,061 Location: FRANCE
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Originally Posted by: H0
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Easy solution: use Roco universal couplers. They are lower, they work fine with Märklin close couplers and they are even better than Märklin's: Roco's couplers connect more easily.
So it could be a good reason for the test to purchase a nice Roco T-box  Joël |
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 Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 3,998 Location: Paremata, Wellington
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Originally Posted by: Bob Hi everyone, Thank you very much for all the information you have provided. It certainly has cleared up the application of the mushroom button. The one thing that confused us a bit was that not all of the locomotives had that button, but that is also covered. thanks to all cheers Bob. Hi Bob, Firstly, the sensor button is also found on some HAMO models. My converted "Le Capitole" (8359) had one which I removed when I converted. I believe it rubs along a rail adjacent to the main rail to provide triggering of remote devices. Secondly, I doubt anyone is going to criticise Fleischmann, their quality and respectibility is on a par with Marklin, and I remember being told once that German schoolboys were at one time just as divided by who ran Ma. vs who ran Fl. as they would be over who supported which (pick your favourite sport) team or racing driver. Who knows why F. does not command quite the same worldwide loyalty as M. but they've certainly made some fine models in their time. Cheers Steve |
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride Originally Posted by: H0
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Easy solution: use Roco universal couplers. They are lower, they work fine with Märklin close couplers and they are even better than Märklin's: Roco's couplers connect more easily.
So it could be a good reason for the test to purchase a nice Roco T-box Roco universal couplers are available as spare parts (don't waste money on the box with 12 pieces, take the box with 50 pieces), but are not included with new products (in the past AC models came with pre-installed universal couplers). This could be due to some patent problems. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS |
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 Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Originally Posted by: Bob Hi everyone, Thank you very much for all the information you have provided. It certainly has cleared up the application of the mushroom button. The one thing that confused us a bit was that not all of the locomotives had that button, but that is also covered. thanks to all cheers Bob. Hi Bob, Firstly, the sensor button is also found on some HAMO models. My converted "Le Capitole" (8359) had one which I removed when I converted. I believe it rubs along a rail adjacent to the main rail to provide triggering of remote devices. Secondly, I doubt anyone is going to criticise Fleischmann, their quality and respectibility is on a par with Marklin, and I remember being told once that German schoolboys were at one time just as divided by who ran Ma. vs who ran Fl. as they would be over who supported which (pick your favourite sport) team or racing driver. Who knows why F. does not command quite the same worldwide loyalty as M. but they've certainly made some fine models in their time. Cheers Steve Hi Steve - u absolutely right, the "fight" between Fl and Ma took place right here in Cape Town as well! As schoolboys there were a number of us who "fought" vigorously over who was better: Fl or Ma...naturally as I had Ma, I supported the better side!!............I seem to remember Triang coming in a distant third..... cheers, Joe
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Ah yes, Fleischman, wonderful models!! The veteran maker in Nuremberg is, or was the last to source parts, or production from outside Germany. I'm not sure they have yet. This makes them still a masterpiece. I don't know if any items are metal anymore, but some are 3 rail a/c. The motors are similar to what lima were before Mehano, but better. The gearing is quieter, and truer. The brushes mount on the side of the motor housing which is shaped like a drum. The commutator is inside, and the windings are on the outer portion. The rotor gear is brass, and drives two, three, or four nylon, or Delrin gears depending on the model. The wheel gears are brass. The 610 diesel railcar from Marklin uses the Fleischman body, frame, and interior fittings, with the Marklin 5 pole twin brush motor. They have their own 2 rail dc digital system, or they did. They also made a line called Playtrain, which was like G scale, but strictly a toy.
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I have a Fleischman BR56 2-8-0 for three-rail A/C digital. It is nicely detailed and runs great. Nice and quiet tender drive system. The noisiest part is the slider.
Stuart
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