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Offline Roman  
#1 Posted : 10 March 2011 05:55:15(UTC)
Roman

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I have many analog locomotives but only a handful of Delta locomotives. Before I invest in any Delta controllers I have some questions. What would be better? A 6604 controller between an analog transformer and feeder track or a 66045 with the transformer function? I read that an analog locomotive will not work with the 66045? If that is true then will a 6604 interfere with the analog operation from an older controller to the track as well? I know that the Delta locs shouldn't be a problem on an analog layout. How can I run an analog locomotive at the same time as a Delta equipped one on the same track? By catenary and the Delta ones operate off the track or vise versa? One more none Digitally functioned question. On one track with catenary, is it possible to run eight different locomotives with one 6604 plus transformer feeding the track and one 6604 plus transformer pair feeding the catenary? Just seeing if you folks that have had these running around for years have any first hand experience with this. Just talking strickly Delta and analog mix here. Thank you.
Offline Western Pacific  
#2 Posted : 10 March 2011 08:12:44(UTC)
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The only way I can think of is to run for instance analogue over catenary and Delta(/digital) over the track.

As a side remark, I once had the idea of having a loco depot run analogue and the rest of the layout digital and the reasoning being that in the loco depot I'd only run one loco at the time and that could easily be done analogue. But when I realized that some of my Delta locos have decoders where the DIP-switch need to be changed from Delta to analogue operation, I realized that set-up wouldn't work unless I changed to decoders that detect operation mode automatically. (My strategy at that time was also to first convert analogue locos to digital and then do Delta to Digital conversion in a more moderate pace, as economy allows).
Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 10 March 2011 08:50:22(UTC)
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Hi Roman,

Once you connect a 6604 or 66045 to the track, any analogue locos on the track will run at full speed, unless you keep them seperate by running them off the catenary as suggested by Per above.

My own solution was to have both delta and analogue feeding to the track through a switch, so that I could select which mode to operate in, either analogue or digital. I then introduced several isolated sections on the layout where I could park trains when not running. The idea is that when you want to run delta or digital you switch over, then you energise the sections of track with delta or digital locos on it, leaving the analogue locos in isolated sections. To run analogue locos you do the opposite.

A simpler way is to have two seperate tracks which are not linked, then you run one analogue and one digital/delta.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline Roman  
#4 Posted : 10 March 2011 20:53:04(UTC)
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Thank you for the replies. The option of a splitter switch for powering the same track sounds good. Right now I don't have the space for a parallel line which is also a good idea. In your experience and given any resources available to you, do you prefer the 6604 fed from an older 6153 or the 66045?
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 10 March 2011 21:14:12(UTC)
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IMHO the 66045 is much better than a 6604. Better speed knob, all controls in one box, and you can switch the lights of digital locos (most Delta locos don't have digital functions that can be controlled).
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Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 10 March 2011 21:14:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Thank you for the replies. The option of a splitter switch for powering the same track sounds good. Right now I don't have the space for a parallel line which is also a good idea. In your experience and given any resources available to you, do you prefer the 6604 fed from an older 6153 or the 66045?


66045 gives you the option of switching lights on and off on later Delta and all digital locos.

Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline perz  
#7 Posted : 10 March 2011 22:57:52(UTC)
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You can run 4 locos with one delta controller via the track and simultaneously 4 other locos with another delta controller over the overhead wire.
Offline Johnvr  
#8 Posted : 14 March 2011 07:43:21(UTC)
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Hi Roman,

Ray has got it spot on !

First of all, run Delta with your 4 locos on the track, and your analog locos in sidings with current switched off. Then flick the switch to change to analog and run your analog locos with your Delta locos standing still. I think they don't have to be in the sidings with current switched off - they just don't move with analog switched on.

If you have catenary system, then you can run Delta in the Catenary and analog in the ground. Or vice versa.

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline Roman  
#9 Posted : 15 March 2011 03:39:56(UTC)
Roman

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Thank you for the info. It helps the slow of learning, me. I suspected some of it already but, of course, have no experience with it so it helps to affirm my suspicions on some of the points.
Offline BR01097  
#10 Posted : 15 March 2011 04:02:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perz Go to Quoted Post
You can run 4 locos with one delta controller via the track and simultaneously 4 other locos with another delta controller over the overhead wire.




How about this for an idea: double the capacity of Delta from 5 locomotives (with Delta Pilot) to ten, by posting one half of the locomotives at signals, sidings, or on a turntable with current cut off until its corresponding number is also stopped. They can then be run in relay.

I find overhead wire works ideally if the track below is powered digitally or with Delta, that way, lights in the cars are constant.



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Offline mike c  
#11 Posted : 15 March 2011 04:42:57(UTC)
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At this point, rather than going delta, I would consider trying to find a 6021 digital unit that is being liquidated. It could be one from a Start Set or one that is remaining in inventory. This would enable you to operate your delta loks and also any new digital loks that you acquire. At the same time, you can gradually convert older loks to digital and use them as well.
I like the idea of having a parallel radius using analog so that you can use your older trains as well until you make the complete conversion.

Regards

Mike C
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