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Offline Roman  
#1 Posted : 15 February 2011 20:02:20(UTC)
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Hello all,
Does anyone use a manufactured paint booth or did you make your own to repaint your locomotives or cars? Any recommendations or plans used? I've seen a few advertised and sold through Ebay but I don't know if they are worth investing in. Thank you.
Roman
Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 15 February 2011 20:09:36(UTC)
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I think Kevin (kbvrod) has some experience in this area... Cool
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Offline kariosls37  
#3 Posted : 15 February 2011 20:42:54(UTC)
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I have a airbrush booth, it is an old kitchen cabinet with a bathroom extractor fan attached to the rear of it. a movable lamp is my light source. I will take pictures of it tonight
Offline sprogger  
#4 Posted : 16 February 2011 00:11:58(UTC)
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Rick
I am also very interested as I have a number of old Marklin tinplate buildings awaiting restoration ...

Would also appreciate any member input on what airbrush/spray gun and compressor arrangements they use..

Cheers
Sprogger
Offline kbvrod  
#5 Posted : 16 February 2011 00:57:24(UTC)
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Hi Roman,all,
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
Hello all,
Does anyone use a manufactured paint booth or did you make your own to repaint your locomotives or cars? Any recommendations or plans used? I've seen a few advertised and sold through Ebay but I don't know if they are worth investing in. Thank you.
Roman


My current spray booth is a used Paasche,new it retails for well over $300,I found it on eBay for $149,shipped.So there are good deals if you keep looking.
If you want to build your own make sure you use a tubeaxiel fan!

Here is some good advise on building your own:

BMC

Dr D

Offline kbvrod  
#6 Posted : 16 February 2011 01:45:57(UTC)
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Hi Srogger,all,
Originally Posted by: sprogger Go to Quoted Post
Rick
I am also very interested as I have a number of old Marklin tinplate buildings awaiting restoration ...

Would also appreciate any member input on what airbrush/spray gun and compressor arrangements they use..Cheers
Sprogger


If one is going to paint broad areas(as opposed to weathering effects) a single action external mix airbrush is fine.
Compressor:make sure it can put out at least 30psi,so it should have a regulator and a moisture trap.A air tank is also not a bad thing to have.

Dr D

Offline Roman  
#7 Posted : 16 February 2011 02:11:24(UTC)
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My current spray booth is a used Paasche,new it retails for well over $300,I found it on eBay for $149,shipped.So there are good deals if you keep looking.
If you want to build your own make sure you use a tubeaxiel fan!

Here is some good advise on building your own:

BMC

Dr D



Thank you. I did read about the hazards of using exhaust fans and maybe buying a purpose built unit makes sense though a little more money. Which Paasche unit did you find? The plastic foldable type or the larger galvanized one? Thanks for the replies. I'm only looking at a couple of projects so far so it is important to save where possible.
Offline kbvrod  
#8 Posted : 16 February 2011 13:54:19(UTC)
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Hi Roman,all,


Quote:
Thank you. I did read about the hazards of using exhaust fans and maybe buying a purpose built unit makes sense though a little more money. Which Paasche unit did you find? The plastic foldable type or the larger galvanized one? Thanks for the replies. I'm only looking at a couple of projects so far so it is important to save where possible.


Your welcome!
This is similar to what I have:
Paasche spray booth

Dr D
Offline dntower85  
#9 Posted : 16 February 2011 16:05:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post



Here is some good advise on building your own:

BMC

Dr D



Thank you. I did read about the hazards of using exhaust fans and maybe buying a purpose built unit makes sense though a little more money. Which Paasche unit did you find? The plastic foldable type or the larger galvanized one? Thanks for the replies. I'm only looking at a couple of projects so far so it is important to save where possible.


You can use a computer fan, with there brush-less motors there is no sparks to ignite paint fumes.
DT
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Offline kbvrod  
#10 Posted : 16 February 2011 18:29:24(UTC)
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Hi DT,all,

Paasche


Computer fans:do they have enough air flow rate?Some paint solvents will cause them to fail.

Dr D

Edited by user 16 February 2011 22:42:46(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

Offline Darren W  
#11 Posted : 16 February 2011 22:00:07(UTC)
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What I read about on this subject recommended getting a fan that had a motor out of the airflow. If you use any enamel or solvent based acrylics they will eat away the coating on the motor coils causing failure. I'm not sure how long this would take for casual airbrushing. I have pondered this subject for quite some time and I was thinking of using a kitchen vent hood that I can purchase used from a local used buidling supply place. They are only $20 so can be replaced on a regular basis if concerned.

If you can afford it though I would recommend buying a proper airbrush booth. This will be on my wishlist for future and anything I build will be temporary.

Darren
Offline dntower85  
#12 Posted : 16 February 2011 23:03:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi DT,all,

Paaschee


Computer fans:do they have enough air flow rate?Some paint solvents will cause them to fail.

Dr D


I tend to not to want to spend money on items that I will hardly use. If I was painting for a living and used it every day I can see spending several hundred on something built to last and would protect my self form dangerous toxins.

I find it hard to imagine how long it would take to have paint fumes eat the coating off the motor coil.

A charcoal filter in front of the fan would handle most of the vapor and the motor is mostly out of the air stream.
I know there are some high volume computer fans out there designed for game boxes so I would think that you could use 5 or more to create enough pressure to flow through filters and still draw the paint away just depends on how big of an area you need to work in. It might take some experimenting to get it right.
Another item that would work is an electric fan off of a cars radiator, a used one might be found cheep and it would have enough volume, all though you might suck all the paint away form what your painting.
I like Darren's ideal of the vent-a-hood, I wish now I hadn't through the one away that was at the old house.
DT
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era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's.
Offline Roman  
#13 Posted : 17 February 2011 00:30:21(UTC)
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If you can afford it though I would recommend buying a proper airbrush booth. This will be on my wishlist for future and anything I build will be temporary.

Darren


The same booth that kbvrod links to in a reply sells for less that $200 delivered but in the states on Ebay. I could cobble something together but it will look the part and as I get older I'm more into instant gratification. Too many project ideas seem to pile up and never get done. I may have to splurge on this one. I'll have model aircraft to paint later as well so it won't sit idle for long. The other necessary acessory will be a turntable to aid in the actual painting and my fumble fingers will be less apt to mess up the piece being painted.
Roman
Offline hgk  
#14 Posted : 17 February 2011 07:00:57(UTC)
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Google images comes thru, I thought this one looked pretty interesting:
http://sketchup.google.c...ae9638751211856323403f6a

-george
Offline Roman  
#15 Posted : 17 February 2011 07:39:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hgk Go to Quoted Post
Google images comes thru, I thought this one looked pretty interesting:
http://sketchup.google.c...ae9638751211856323403f6a

-george


That's a good find George. Worth checking WalMart and Microcenter for the detailed items. I bet $50 would cover it. A metal grate over the filter for better stability would be an immediate improvement.
Offline kariosls37  
#16 Posted : 18 February 2011 08:45:19(UTC)
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Here is the promised pic of my setup:
UserPostedImage
As you see, nothing fancy but it does the job. My model rotating turntable: a block of scrap wood or the tin box pictured. The lighting is multipurpose: It usually lights my workbench, but I shift it when I need to use an airbrushCool
The bathroom fan is plenty for what I need. I still have to get around to attaching the hose to it. The white kitchen cabinet helps with the even lighting which is a plus. Another helpful item I will add in the near future is an airbrush holder. I dropped the airbrush once while doing some fine work, and bent the needle. The price was'nt too bad but the delay was annoying to say the leastCursing
Also in there is a bit of scrap plastic, for testing the spray consistency. this avoids nasty surprises when I paint my models.

As for when things might go boom, I don't believe that the concentrations for explosions are possible under normal circumstances. Yes. If you spray a whole jar of thinner in an enclosed space and make a spark, it will explode. But for modelling, you just cannot get near to such a concentration. For painting a whole H0 locomotive, I use about 1 tablespoon of thinned paint. Painting takes me about 20 minutes. By that time the first thinner to come out of my brush is long gone.

Happy airbrushing,
Kariosls
Offline Roman  
#17 Posted : 18 February 2011 16:28:13(UTC)
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That's a very nice setup kariosls37. How big is the opening? I ask because it's comfortable for you and doesn't look cramped. My consideration is for space in the garage. Used kitchen cabinets are easy and cheap to find. The ideas in this thread have been plentiful and very helpful. Thank you all.
Offline stenscience  
#18 Posted : 18 February 2011 19:20:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
That's a very nice setup kariosls37. How big is the opening? I ask because it's comfortable for you and doesn't look cramped. My consideration is for space in the garage. Used kitchen cabinets are easy and cheap to find. The ideas in this thread have been plentiful and very helpful. Thank you all.

Well, since you talk about cost and doing the painting in your garage, why not just open the garage door and put a cheap box fan a few feet away, blowing away from you?
Also, if you google Fine Scale Modeler, then go to the forum section, there is a sub-section on airbrushing and painting.This subject (spray booths)comes up frequently.
Offline Darren W  
#19 Posted : 19 February 2011 00:55:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stenscience Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Roman Go to Quoted Post
That's a very nice setup kariosls37. How big is the opening? I ask because it's comfortable for you and doesn't look cramped. My consideration is for space in the garage. Used kitchen cabinets are easy and cheap to find. The ideas in this thread have been plentiful and very helpful. Thank you all.

Well, since you talk about cost and doing the painting in your garage, why not just open the garage door and put a cheap box fan a few feet away, blowing away from you?
Also, if you google Fine Scale Modeler, then go to the forum section, there is a sub-section on airbrushing and painting.This subject (spray booths)comes up frequently.


That would be okay except for several months of the year when it is -20 Celcius with a wind chill.Scared

Darren
(from the great white northern Canada)

P.S. And yes I do get moose wandering down my street occasionally.Laugh
Offline kariosls37  
#20 Posted : 19 February 2011 07:46:34(UTC)
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My airbrush cabin is 400 mm high and 650mm wide, which is plenty of room for my modelling. When airbrushing I usually have the jars of paint, paint stirrer and cleaning gear in there as well, beside the model and it's stand.
If I would build it again I would probably go for a cabin that is a bit deeper. Because the cabin is at eye level my arms tire by the end of a session.
Darren, if your garage is uninsulated I would not even think of painting there in winter. The paint will never sit nicely.
Offline Roman  
#21 Posted : 22 February 2011 07:59:07(UTC)
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Thank you kariosls37 for the measurements. My son is working in construction and destruction so I asked him to look out for a cabinet and a fan that they might toss out during refurbishing a large apartment complex not too far away.
Offline Darren W  
#22 Posted : 22 February 2011 11:04:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kariosls37 Go to Quoted Post
My airbrush cabin is 400 mm high and 650mm wide, which is plenty of room for my modelling. When airbrushing I usually have the jars of paint, paint stirrer and cleaning gear in there as well, beside the model and it's stand.
If I would build it again I would probably go for a cabin that is a bit deeper. Because the cabin is at eye level my arms tire by the end of a session.
Darren, if your garage is uninsulated I would not even think of painting there in winter. The paint will never sit nicely.


My insulated and heated garage is the envy of some neighbors. The ones who only have carports are particularly green.LOL

Darren
Offline Roman  
#23 Posted : 26 March 2011 20:46:03(UTC)
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Using this web site as a guide I went ahead and built my own modified version. The computer fan is 110v. I added a framed base to it not shown on the illustration, reinforced luan paneling for sides and shelf, and my cover is the corrugated plastic sign variety. I mulled over what to paint it but had so much stain and poly on hand I had to use it. This will help in controlling the dust. The filter isn't unwrapped in the photos but it will stick to the plenum frame without the use of the dowels by the suction force of the fan so I'm sure it will be sufficient once in use. The only material I can't find readily is the plastic dryer tubing I'd like to vent the exhaust with out of the garage. I think everyone has the metalized tubing now because of the fire risks with clothes dryers but I'll find it or a good substitute. I may use plastic downspout tubing in that I can configure it easily to fit. The cost of material was under $50 so far. The labor? That's another figure but I had some free days and some cold beer to get done with so good enough. Please don't judge my workmanship. If I made it from cardboard, as I saw elsewhere, I'd have an excuse. But I had a jigsaw and straight enough wooden board clamped to a wood bench as a guide and ripped it all with that. I was going to hide the corners with trim but that is almost as expensive per foot as the lumber present and, after all, it is a paint booth. I hope it will last me a few years and I'll be happy with it. After the pollen season I'll get started on the long procrastinated projects. Thanks to you all for your time and suggestions.
Roman[img]null[/img]Paint Booth 1Paint Booth 2Paint Booth 3Paint Booth 4
Offline Darren W  
#24 Posted : 26 March 2011 22:25:16(UTC)
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Looks really good. The dust cover/door is a good idea so your work can dry without dust settling on it. The have you tried the fan to see how much air it moves? Will it be enough or will you need to add another?

Darren
Offline Roman  
#25 Posted : 26 March 2011 23:15:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Darren W Go to Quoted Post
Looks really good. The dust cover/door is a good idea so your work can dry without dust settling on it. The have you tried the fan to see how much air it moves? Will it be enough or will you need to add another?

Darren


I think one will be enough. I tested it only with the filter, that is still covered in the packaging, and it sucked it into place with enough force IMO. I just finished it and haven't given it a test drive so to speak. I'll get the ducting done this next weekend and give it a good test with a spray can.
Offline kariosls37  
#26 Posted : 27 March 2011 06:19:33(UTC)
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The booth looks really good. It's almost a shame to ruin the insde of it with paint.
My advice would be: fit some useful gadgets like an airbrush holder and paint/thinner jar holders. I would really reccomend the former. Airbrush needles cost $20 if you bend them, and an airbrush is useless without it's needle. I know this from experienceCursing A bright light and paint stirrer holders are also very useful.
Offline Roman  
#27 Posted : 27 March 2011 08:13:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kariosls37 Go to Quoted Post
The booth looks really good. It's almost a shame to ruin the inside of it with paint.
My advice would be: fit some useful gadgets like an airbrush holder and paint/thinner jar holders. I would really recommend the former. Airbrush needles cost $20 if you bend them, and an airbrush is useless without it's needle. I know this from experienceCursing A bright light and paint stirrer holders are also very useful.


....and a turntable is high on my list of continued improvements as well. Thanks for the added accessories recommendation. I have a clamp on grill light that may be bright enough.
Offline kbvrod  
#28 Posted : 27 March 2011 22:31:13(UTC)
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Hi all,
Roman,nice job!ThumpUp let us know how that lok comes out!

Dr D
Online GlennM  
#29 Posted : 13 June 2011 12:42:15(UTC)
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If it is of interest I saw this item recently on e-mail and it looks a lot like a Paasche booth. I am tempted, so if anyone does buy one, please post a reply to let us know if they are any good.



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AI...2a115b1e77#ht_3039wt_772


Thanks
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
Offline kbvrod  
#30 Posted : 13 June 2011 14:50:51(UTC)
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Hi Glen,all,
No, not a Paasche.This booth is portable and has built in turntable:

Portable spraybooth

I have seen one at the local hobby shop,seems well built.

Dr D
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#31 Posted : 27 June 2011 15:13:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi Glen,all,
No, not a Paasche.This booth is portable and has built in turntable:

Portable spraybooth

I have seen one at the local hobby shop,seems well built.

Dr D



Thanks for your post, I am still saving got tempted by some items for sale on here by Krocodileman. The booths do look good though, and if you are only looking for light hobby use then ideal...??!!??
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
Offline kbvrod  
#32 Posted : 27 June 2011 15:54:34(UTC)
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Hi Glen,all,

Quote:
Thanks for your post, I am still saving got tempted by some items for sale on here by Krocodileman. The booths do look good though, and if you are only looking for light hobby use then ideal...??!!??


Yes,it is fine for light hobby,even better they are portable and can be folded up and put away when not in use.BigGrin

Dr D
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#33 Posted : 23 November 2011 01:03:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dntower85 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi DT,all,

Paaschee


Computer fans:do they have enough air flow rate?Some paint solvents will cause them to fail.

Dr D


I tend to not to want to spend money on items that I will hardly use. If I was painting for a living and used it every day I can see spending several hundred on something built to last and would protect my self form dangerous toxins.

I find it hard to imagine how long it would take to have paint fumes eat the coating off the motor coil.

A charcoal filter in front of the fan would handle most of the vapor and the motor is mostly out of the air stream.
I know there are some high volume computer fans out there designed for game boxes so I would think that you could use 5 or more to create enough pressure to flow through filters and still draw the paint away just depends on how big of an area you need to work in. It might take some experimenting to get it right.
Another item that would work is an electric fan off of a cars radiator, a used one might be found cheep and it would have enough volume, all though you might suck all the paint away form what your painting.
I like Darren's ideal of the vent-a-hood, I wish now I hadn't through the one away that was at the old house.


Uh huh, now another little postive to add to the balance sheet of installing a whole new kitchen, instead of building my dream layout room,Blushing I can make good use of the old range hood, shame I threw out the carbon filters a while back Cursing
I wonder what the Kitchen designer will think about my idea to have a paint booth right where the current cook top is Confused LOL
Glen
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