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Offline nelson77  
#1 Posted : 07 February 2011 03:14:34(UTC)
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I just purchased a new 60173 booster and after connecting to the CS. I turned on the CS, the CS says OVERLOAD after it comes on. I disconnected the wire from the booster to the track assuming there was a short there. I did not see a short so I decided to disconnect the booster from the track and still leave it plugged into the back of the CS and than restart the CS. It still says overload even though nothing is connected to the track from the 60173 booster. I did not see a light on booster after the restart so I thought it might be a bad transformer. Put a meter on the 60va transformer and it was good and checked the connections, all OK. Now I don’t know what to do. Can I plug the transformer into the booster by itself with out plugging it the CS to see if the RED light comes on? I did not want to take a change incase the booster requires a load. By the way I have a 6017 connected through 60129 and has been working for a couple of months. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 07 February 2011 06:21:07(UTC)
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By CS, I assume you mean CS2 (60213, 60214) as the 60173 booster does not work with the CS1 (60212).
Offline Hemmerich  
#3 Posted : 07 February 2011 14:28:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nelson77 Go to Quoted Post

Can I plug the transformer into the booster by itself with out plugging it the CS to see if the RED light comes on?

See you booster handbook pg.5.

PS: It's obvious he's talking about the CS-II.
Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 07 February 2011 14:33:35(UTC)
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Old 60212 CS1 can use with 60172 booster but the 60172 have cancelled & never production by Marklin.

Use the old 6017 to connect the 60212.
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Offline Fredrik  
#5 Posted : 07 February 2011 15:42:57(UTC)
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Hmm - a 60129 is a "Connect 6017" - which was produced 2005-2008 i.e. before the CS-II. That means we must be speaking of a CS-I in combination of a 60173 Booster which will not work togheter.

Edit:

Confirmed as a CS-II in post below.
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Offline nelson77  
#6 Posted : 07 February 2011 15:55:11(UTC)
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Hello All,
Yes the CS is a 60213 about 2 years old. It works great with a one 6017 booster.
I did look on page 8&9 of the 60173 manual. It said LED OFF check transformer, I checked that and the transformer is good. 2nd The Booster was switched to stop, it never came on so it could not have been switched to stop.3rd The booster is not getting signal from CS. All I can check is the transformer and I did check the cable and that's good up to the plug.
Remember the display on the CS says "Overload" when I turn it on and that's far as it goes.
Does anyone know if the booster LED will come on if it's only plugged into the transformer just to see if the LED comes on? Also can the system be checked with the cable disconnected from the track? Does the CS 60213 have to be upgraded to work with the 60173? Another question, should I just try the new 60173 by its self without the 6017 booster plugged in the 60129?
Thank all for this site because with out the help from here I would of given up a year ago.
Thanks Again.
Offline Fredrik  
#7 Posted : 07 February 2011 15:59:55(UTC)
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Yes you can test the system with cables disconnected from the track(s). And I would definitely test without 60129 connected to see if that could be a problem (as far as I can see it's for the CS-I, but if it worked previously...). Also - what software version does your CS-II have? AFAIK any version should work in combination with a 60173 - might be different if your Booster is actually a 60174 though...
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Offline nelson77  
#8 Posted : 07 February 2011 16:05:03(UTC)
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Hello Fredrik,
I purchased the 60129 from a Marklin dealer. He said that I needed it to add additional 6017 boosters to the 60213. If I connect just the 60173 to the CS 2 without the 60129 how do I add additional boosters to the layout? Will my old 6017 booster be obsolete? I just want to do it right and it’s hard to get information from Marklin on how to do it.
Thanks
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
Offline Fredrik  
#9 Posted : 07 February 2011 16:12:28(UTC)
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Hi Nelson,

well - as far as I can see the 60129 is only for connection of 6015/6017 boosters to Märklin Systems - that is the CS-I. I do not myself have this unit so all information I have about is it from the product database on Maerklin.de. Anyway - this unit should not provide any additional connectors for 60173/4 boosters.

What you will need to connect more 60173/4 boosters is the 60125 Terminal. But to that unit your 6017 booster can't be (directly) connected. If you can connect the 60129 to it I actually don't know...

Where did you connect the 60173 booster when testing? On the 60173 output? Where is the 60129 connected?
Fredrik.
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Offline nelson77  
#10 Posted : 07 February 2011 16:23:57(UTC)
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Hello Fredrik,
I just checked under the layout. I was wrong the number is not 60129 is says 6017 connect on the module.
When I just turned on the CS it came up on the display.

Question: TFP with Uid 426f3fe7 has version 1.3 do you want to start un update to version 1.36?

Software Version 1.1.0 (1)
Hardware 3.4
Ser # 7790
I have to go to the office now, when I return I will remove the old 6017 and just use just the 60173.

Thanks for all your help. I will let you know the results this evening.
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
Offline Fredrik  
#11 Posted : 07 February 2011 16:42:25(UTC)
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Yes - but "Connect 6017" IS the 60129, still not sure about compatibility here... someone else has to confirm/reject it.

Anyway - I would definitely perform a software update on the CS-II. Especially as you have a very early version...
Fredrik.
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Offline nelson77  
#12 Posted : 08 February 2011 22:28:44(UTC)
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Hello Fredrik,
I just finished removing my 60129 connection module and the 6017 booster from my CS. I than connected the new 60173 directly to the 60123 CS. The CS loaded and recognized the new 60173. I guess you can’t mix the old 6017 boosters and the new 60173 boosters. Now I have a couple of questions. Can I add more 60173 boosters to the CS, or should I look for more of the old 6017 boosters and do it that way and disconnect the 60173. I will need more power to finish my layout. Any help appreciated in which way to go.
Thanks
Nelson 77
Westminster, Md
Offline GSRR  
#13 Posted : 08 February 2011 22:35:22(UTC)
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Nelson,

Since you have a CS2 which will see updates in the future and the newer booster is in the product line then perhaps get more 60173 and sell your 6017. Plenty of people with the CS1 who maybe looking for 6017 boosters.


r/Thomas


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Offline nelson77  
#14 Posted : 08 February 2011 23:10:38(UTC)
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Hello Thomas,
I was also looking to go that way. But, I can't find any information on how to connect more 60173’s boosters to my system.
I put in a call to Tom from Marklin but he has not returned my email. He's probably in Nuremberg.
Would appreciate any info on how to add on more 60173's.
Thanks
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
Offline Nielsenr  
#15 Posted : 08 February 2011 23:26:20(UTC)
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Nelson77

Not sure what you have and are trying to do, but I have a CS2 with a 60125 connected to it and two 60173 boosters connected to the 60125. The 60125 gives yo 4 additional ports to connect. I believe you can connect mobile stations to the 60125 although I haven't tried that yet. I am waiting for the MS2 to be available in the states ... then I'll probably get one and try it.

Robert
Offline GSRR  
#16 Posted : 08 February 2011 23:28:12(UTC)
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Nelson,

The new number you are looking for is the 60174. Look at the description here:


http://www.maerklin.com/...ds/product_database.html


This is a power/output booster for large digitally controlled layouts. It can handle multiple protocols in conjunction with the 60213/60214 Central Station. It can be connected directly to the 60213/60214 Central Station by means of a 9-conductor data bus line. Several Boosters can be used in a system by means of the 60125 Terminal. The Booster automatically registers itself in the 60213/60214 Central Station. An LED on the Booster indicates its operating status; this status is also available graphically in the display on the 60213/60214 Central Station. A maximum output power of 58 VA and a maximum current of 3 amps is available, when the Booster is used with the 60061 switched mode power pack (only 230 volt version available). Dimensions 150 x 110 x 80 mm / 5-7/8" x 4-5/16" x 3-1/8".


60125


This unit can be used to connect additional components from the Märklin Systems program to the Central Station. 9-pin connecting cable, 60 cm / 23-5/8" long, permanently attached to the Terminal, and a 9-pin socket for an additional Terminal or other components to be connected to the data bus. Four 7-pin sockets for connections from Mobile Stations or other peripheral units. Dimensions 96 x 85 x 40 mm / 3-3/4" x 3-3/8" x 1-9/16".




Does this help?


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Offline GSRR  
#17 Posted : 08 February 2011 23:41:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nelson77 Go to Quoted Post

I put in a call to Tom from Marklin but he has not returned my email.




Nelson,

I believe you speak of Dr. Tom Catherall. He produces a subscription digital newsletter. You can find more details here:

https://www.marklin-user...tal-Club-Newsletter.aspx


r/Thomas


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Offline nelson77  
#18 Posted : 09 February 2011 00:08:36(UTC)
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Thanks Tom
Offline Fredrik  
#19 Posted : 09 February 2011 00:36:30(UTC)
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Hi nelson,

glad it worked out! Smile

Well, my thoughts are still that the 60129 is not really compatible as it's too old... Any 6017 Booster(s) should be possible to connect in the booster socket on the downside og the CS-II (beside the S88-socket) though.

But, off-course I also think you'd be better off with the 60174 booster. Don't get any more 60173:s as you must separate both ground and power when using this booster. I.e. you must also insulate the rails between the booster-sections! This is not neccessary with 60174 (nor with 6015/7).

As previously mentioned you use the 60125 Terminal to connect multiple boosters/MS2 and/or other components.
Fredrik.
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Offline nelson77  
#20 Posted : 09 February 2011 16:05:46(UTC)
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Hello Fredrik,
Thanks again for this information. When you say the 60173 must have GROUND and POWER separated. I know that you have to keep the power isolated, but I only have one 60173 and I have all the GROUNDS connected as of now. The way I wired my layout, I ran 5, 18 gauge wires and looped them around the complete layout, this way it was easier to drop feeder wires. Than I was going to connect each booster to one of these power wires that loop the layout. Before when I used the 6017 I had all the grounds tied together. Is this incorrect?
How would I connect two more 60174’s to the CS?
Thanks A lot
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
Offline Fredrik  
#21 Posted : 09 February 2011 19:06:44(UTC)
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Hi,

I'm not 100% updated on the electric construction of the 60173 booster - but: those boosters must have separate ground (between eachother, CS2 and/or 60174 boosters). And this is why the 60174 finally arrived - it doesn't need those ground separation (with exception in the case of 60173).

With 6017 common ground is correct, it is only with 60173 that it is wrong. And the booster-section supplied from the CS2 must also be separated from the 60173 section. I guess someone here knows more about the technical issues in this case - I haven't investigated it (although I have a 60173).

To connect more 60174 boosters you will need the terminal (60125). Connect that one to the CS-II and then the booster(s) to it. Additional terminals may be connected to eachother. You might also consider this (click here). Now this item has only one connector for the booster plug, yet uses CAT5 network cables inbetween, works fine... BigGrin
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Offline nelson77  
#22 Posted : 12 February 2011 23:27:24(UTC)
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Hello Fredrik,
Follow up on my booster problem. I got an email from Tom, he Marklin’s digital expert and he said to disconnect both boosters from the track and than turn on the CS and see if I get any error messages. I did that and it came on without any errors. I than powered down and connected the 6017 to the tracks. Powered up again all OK. I powered down again and connected both 6017 and 60173 to the track and powered up. Again all OK. I did this several times to make sure everything is good and it worked every time without errors. Now I would like to know what was wrong originally. At lease we now all know that the old 6017’s and the 60173 will work when connected together.
Thanks again for all your suggestions.
Nelson77
Westminster, Md
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