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Offline SBB  
#1 Posted : 27 December 2010 13:28:59(UTC)
SBB


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I am about to start building Maerkin 72883 3 door loco shed (yes, the cream colour one BigGrin )

and wondered if anyone can share some tips before I begin. I have faller expert glue. I'm aware of the tip blocking concerns.

Are the floor and walls solid during the build or should I have some 90 deg supports handy?
How is the metal door opener attached to the sliding bar in the rafters? Glued?
Seems odd the doors don't open. Looks like I could install a light rubber band to act as a return to open the doors, anyone tried this?

Many thanks, this will be my first MRR/Maerklin/Faller build. Normally I build cars.

I have all these to complete for my Dad during the next 2 weeks -
Razz

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Offline David Dewar  
#2 Posted : 27 December 2010 13:47:26(UTC)
David Dewar

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Your Marklin shed is made by Vollmer ( they make the same kit in a different colour and its cheaper)
Not sure what you mean by the walls and floor being solid but they do not need any further supports. No need to glue the metal parts to the doors but if it helps to keep them attached then will do no harm. Never did find that the doors worked all that well and I usually keep any of my shed doors open anyway.
Add some lighting to the inside of the shed which makes it look really good and of course you can see your locos.

dave
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline Renato  
#3 Posted : 27 December 2010 13:48:32(UTC)
Renato

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SBB wrote:
I am about to start building Maerkin 72883 3 door loco shed (yes, the cream colour one BigGrin )

and wondered if anyone can share some tips before I begin. I have faller expert glue. I'm aware of the tip blocking concerns.

Are the floor and walls solid during the build or should I have some 90 deg supports handy?

It is better to use a 90 degrees support to have a perfect position. In addition glue together two adiacent walls (it helps).

How is the metal door opener attached to the sliding bar in the rafters? Glued?

No, the metal door opener is inserted as shown on the instructions.

Seems odd the doors don't open. Looks like I could install a light rubber band to act as a return to open the doors, anyone tried this?

The doors close when the entering locomotive hits the plastic buffer inside the shed and open when the locomotive hits the door when coming out the shed.

Many thanks, this will be my first MRR/Maerklin/Faller build. Normally I build cars.

I have all these to complete for my Dad during the next 2 weeks -
Razz



Cheers and welcome to the forum

Renato
Offline DaleSchultz  
#4 Posted : 27 December 2010 16:53:47(UTC)
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Hi
have a bunch of images of my roundhouse on my web site..
As you will see I went for interior detailing:

http://layout.mixmox.com/1/Roundhouse-1

then http://layout.mixmox.com/1/Roundhouse-2

I did not install the door opening mechanism - I think it is a silly gimmick to get more movement on the layout - and it means you can't see into the shed when the loco is inside, plus it uses internal space and presents an opportunity for stuff to go wrong. I suggest you put that time into some interior details even if you don't go for super detailing.

The images I produced for the interior walls can be downloaded from my web site
see http://layout.mixmox.com/1/roundhouse-walls for a page on the interior walls - you may have to scale them a bit if the shed size has changed. Mine were Märlin 7288 sheds made in Denmark.

I also made smoke extractors see http://layout.mixmox.com/1/smoke-catchers again the templates can be downloaded.
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline David Dewar  
#5 Posted : 27 December 2010 17:57:19(UTC)
David Dewar

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Fully agree Dale. It is nice to see inside and your details are top class.

dave
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Chris6382chris  
#6 Posted : 27 December 2010 20:18:25(UTC)
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Dale:

I just looked at your links to the shed and it looks great. Really nice details indeed. What type of LEDs did you use for the lighting? And do you have a source you buy from on the internet?

Chris
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#7 Posted : 27 December 2010 21:28:49(UTC)
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thanks Chris,

I use white surface mount LEDs that I bought out of Hong Kong via Ebay I corresponded with Brian with the ID cwithk <cwithk (at) netvigator.com>. I see some good looking deals there now such as
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-...2eafb43d74#ht_2118wt_883

I have some more info on them at http://layout.mixmox.com/1/tunnel-signal (red and green in that case)

Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline DaleSchultz  
#8 Posted : 27 December 2010 21:37:27(UTC)
DaleSchultz

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he is still on ebay - I found this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/50-S...20b60f18bd#ht_1079wt_883

I suspect these are LEDs from reels of tape that get misfed into machines and crumpled - so they cant be fed into a machine but the LEDs are of course unharmed. Other ebay auctions are touting Japanese ones as better of course...
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline Chris6382chris  
#9 Posted : 28 December 2010 00:39:36(UTC)
Chris6382chris

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Thanks Dale for the info. I might just order some today.

Chris
Offline SBB  
#10 Posted : 10 January 2011 13:34:41(UTC)
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Thanks for everyones posts and feedback. Much appreciated. My Dad likes things as manufacturer intended so I built accordingly with no weathering so far.


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Shed 72883
I have read other threads re the colour of the Marklin engine shed and I have to say now that it is built, I prefer the cream colour. It lightens up the layout given all the grey from the C tracks. The doors mech works but the rear stop/door closing bar and the roof mounted slider rail are too flexible. If these were hard plastic/metal then the door mech would be reliable. As is, unless the rear section of the roof is glued on the mechanism plastic flexes when the loco bumpers hit it and can cause the loco to get stuck. But if one holds down the roof 99% of the time it works fine. To save problems during the 1% I will be gluing a hard old credit card or sim plastic sprayed grey or brown to the bar so that it touches/brushes the track so the bumpers cannot get under it. Glueing the rear roof section on would have the same result but IF a loco gets stuck then only having the middle section open would make it harder to extract the loco safely. The kit has nice FULL brown wooden plank replica flooring. This is different from the Dales kit build where his floor had big gaps that he (very nicely!) filled with plaster. I don't know if this is because Marklin gets a few changes made to 'their' editions of the kit or this is a general production change to the newer kits. It looks nice and, again, I find the colours pleasing. The exterior clock and phone/cable/line holders I have omitted until the final diorama is done as these are likely to get damaged. I didn't do anything on the interior walls, but if there is one thing I would like added to the kit would be card filling or sheeting mimic-ing the exterior surface, inside. The interior lighting set that came with the kit works fine but is a bit localised. I am going to play around with some facing up and perhaps diffusing it somehow. The orange colour is nice, much better than white but gives six big circles on the floor inside. Needs diffusing. I ran some of the cabling through the roof support rather than the supplied cream brackets as this looks better imo. The brackets look way out of scale if use for that purpose. Left alone they suggest part of the roof and look, imo, ok. I did use some matt black paint on the roof/chimneys, subtly but effectively finishes of an otherwise stock build I think.


Platforms Vollmer 3537
Simple and effective. Pity no lighting, but I will rectify that with lights similar to those suggested by Dale ThumpUp
Will get some blue 2mm wire and shld be able to blend it with the pillars. Plats are not fixed together yet nor advertising boards/signs installed as we decided more would look better for longer plats, so have to source these and then set it up as desired, and then glue and finalise. These are the narrowest platforms available HO size. It took alot of searching to identify this. But given the constraints of the space available they are perfect. Perhaps useful for others to know.

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Switching house Faller 120122
Love the photo on the box but disappointed with how small the building actually is. Its a perfect building but I keep wishing it was bigger to look at, especially given how fiddly it is to build. There are more then 30 2mm parts in it. This means forceps are essential for this build and unless you are very stable or else not too concerned for boxart correct, I suggest you may not enjoy building this. I really enjoyed getting this model built right. I had some Tamiya TS matt black handy so I sprayed the cross braces and some of the switch leavers. Doing this on a holiday visit is a shame, with paints and time at home this model has so much that can be painted, modified and finished individually. Most of all I would like to have sprayed the all the parts to get rid of sprue traces, as even with very particular attention to sanding they can still be seen no matter what, the photos especially make them obvious/looks like they are not even sanded Angry . Just looking at the photos peeves me because you can see all the mold lines and it looks like noting was sanded which couldn't be further than the truth.
Back to the fidly size comment - the seat bases are only 4mm wide and are made of 3 pieces. The lap arm about 1mm. Bit OTT. It's ready for lighting which I will install sometime. Getting the walls, railing and ladder at the correct angles takes a little effort.
Other issue is that the house is designed for the HO track that doesn't have the C base height, so I had to cut some balsa to lift it the required amount. I will recut new pieces with a drop off angle and properly deco with gravel etc when the time comes to do the grass/stones etc base.

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Faller EXPERT orange bottle glue.

Fabulous stuff. Miles better than any model glue I have used in the past. Obviously its matched to the kit plastic, but it was still a revelation. Actually semi melts/fuses the plastic fully in about 2hours. Sufficiently fused in 5-10mins infact to allow you to progress. The tip clogging for me was less of a problem than others seem to have had. I simply used 200 sandpaper on the tip before and after use, and LIGHTLY left the top on and it was fine. After a week of use I had to heat the tip for an instant (fun seeing the glue ignite BigGrin ) and then sand off the crap, and it continues to work fine.

I enjoyed doing this for my Dad hugely. Now I am looking for something else to add! BigGrin BigGrin
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Offline Nielsenr  
#11 Posted : 10 January 2011 19:49:00(UTC)
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A little off topic, but to follow up on Dale's talk of SMD LED's, they are more expensive but I have bought some from Jameco. Different styles and colors and they always have them. I also bought some flexible SMD LED strips direct from China. Here is the link: http://www.ledlightsworld.com/led-strips-c-1.html. They are currently $58.50 (US $) for 16.4 feet and can be cut every approx 2 inches. Have used them in lighting Faller 120180 Train Shed and Faller 120191 Platforms. To power them, I used a hobby saw to cut a groove in the columns and used enameled magnet wire from Radio Shack to bring the wires down to under the base of the platforms and then painted them a similar color of gray so they are nearly invisible. Also bought rigid light strips from the same place in China to use in some passenger cars but have not done that project yet. And I could not believe how fast the order arrived from China ... I expected it to take a couple of weeks and they were here within one week.

To SBB, nice job on the model kits. They look good!!

Robert
Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 10 January 2011 20:20:22(UTC)
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Very good, SBB.ThumpUp
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Offline nevw  
#13 Posted : 10 January 2011 21:04:37(UTC)
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Great Work Pierre.
The loco shed is tops.
I have that Signal Box to build. Thanks for the tips. Or maybe you can build mine now you have had practice. BigGrin RollEyes
Nev
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 10 January 2011 21:37:01(UTC)
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I can't say that I like the cream version of the roundhouse, I've always preferred the red. That said, having seen your roundhouse, the cream is not as bad as I thought. You have done a good job of building it.


Originally Posted by: SBB Go to Quoted Post


Platforms Vollmer 3537

Will get some blue 2mm wire and shld be able to blend it with the pillars.



You should be able to drill a hole down the inside of the pillars and run your wires through the pillars. If not, you should be able to buy replacement hollow plastic pipes of a similar size from any model shop.

That way you can run lights and wiring without the wires being seen. I did this with my station platforms.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 10 January 2011 22:48:36(UTC)
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Nice and quick jobs!

re light wires

In real life, power runs in big thick conduits and I feel that using fine coil wire is close enough in scale to simply have them running up the poles and walls. Painting the same color also replicates what happens when the building gets painted!

get thin wires from old coils see http://layout.mixmox.com/1/coil-wire

And yes building the signal box detail stuff is hard work. They use the same interior details in their "Ritter Stellwerk: 120124" signal box. I painted each piece as well as the big interlocking machine: http://layout.mixmox.com/1/inside_signal_box

It was fun researching what color each of signal handles should be...
Dale
Intellibox + own software, K-Track
My current layout: https://cabin-layout.mixmox.com
Arrival and Departure signs: https://remotesign.mixmox.com
Offline compatty  
#16 Posted : 06 January 2020 00:26:00(UTC)
compatty

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I know this Marklin 72883 loco shed is no longer made, as the turntable it goes with is also no longer made. But...I had this sitting in a box for a few years and got up the energy to build it. LOoand Behold, i got to the end after several hours of starting and stopping over several days, and the darn thing was missing some roof parts. Ugh.

Any idea where I could try and get them? I see someone mentioned it was made by Vollmer. I have emailed them but expect a negative response. Pessimist!
Barry
Offline Herrfleck  
#17 Posted : 06 January 2020 20:07:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: compatty Go to Quoted Post
I know this Marklin 72883 loco shed is no longer made, as the turntable it goes with is also no longer made. But...I had this sitting in a box for a few years and got up the energy to build it. LOoand Behold, i got to the end after several hours of starting and stopping over several days, and the darn thing was missing some roof parts. Ugh.

Any idea where I could try and get them? I see someone mentioned it was made by Vollmer. I have emailed them but expect a negative response. Pessimist!



Hello!

I think it is not vollmer because it has diferent Windows on the side!?

But heljan item nr 802 loks like Märklin 72883.

Regards

Bertil.
- since my lack in english I don't write so much here.. but learn by trying right? :) -

//Bertil
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Offline compatty  
#18 Posted : 06 January 2020 22:26:04(UTC)
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That looks just like it, but a different color. Thanks. My part is there!
Barry
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