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Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#1 Posted : 15 September 2010 09:22:22(UTC)
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Ok

I was wondering if I want to install a smoke generator on one of my locos,should a rookie attempt it and any advice?
Offline applor  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2010 09:34:34(UTC)
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It is very easy, you shouldn't have any problems.
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Offline AJ  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2010 10:34:59(UTC)
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You might want to watch this video, if you haven't already.

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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 15 September 2010 10:55:16(UTC)
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I_love_Marklin_37538 wrote:
Ok

I was wondering if I want to install a smoke generator on one of my locos,should a rookie attempt it and any advice?


If the loco is already prepared for a smoke generator, then anyone can do it. If it isn't, I wouldn't recommend a rookie to try it. It would involve drilling out the chimney, making room underneath, and installing new wiring.
Ray
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 15 September 2010 12:02:11(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
If the loco is already prepared for a smoke generator, then anyone can do it.

The 7226 is pushed in from the top - without opening the loco. Normally it doesn't take much pressure.
The wire at the bottom must show in the right direction - and with Märklin models the right direction depends on the model. Confused
With most models it should point to the back, but with some models it should point to the correct side (just look at the contact lid inside the loco).

The 72270 is pushed in from below so you have to open the loco.
I had one 72270 I couldn't push into a BR 38. A different 72270 fitted - and the other 72270 fitted into a BR 18.4 locomotive.
May require more force than a 7226 to be pushed into place.
And not all Märklin steamers are easy to open and close again (pay attention to the cogwheel when closing a BR 38).

The biggest problem I had at the beginning: how do you get the fluid in?
M* instructions say "6 drops". Confused

Buy a smoke generator from Seuthe, it includes a syringe to insert the fluid (and a small bottle with fluid). Instructions say "0.2 ml" and the syringe has a scale.
Otherwise you can buy either Seuthe or Märklin - they are all made by Seuthe but those from Märklin are sometimes cheaper as they come with fewer accessories.
Seuthe also makes replacement sets (smoke generator without accessories), but only few dealers have them listed.
Regards
Tom
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Offline banco  
#6 Posted : 21 September 2010 12:24:17(UTC)
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There is only one thing that I would add.............To make sure that you get a good contact between the generator and the chimney.........I always lightly sand the surface of the generator and the inside of the chimney to make sure .BigGrin
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Offline Dreadnought  
#7 Posted : 22 September 2010 01:28:53(UTC)
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My vote is to have the dealer do it.

I did my 55 class, and made a mess of it. The new Marklin locomotives are quite delicate, difficult to take apart, and very difficult to put together. I did some damage to the delicate lines on the top of the boiler, to say nothing of my patience. I had to take it into him in the end.

I took in my 38 class, and watched him struggle to get the top off, then put it together. I was glad it was not me doing it.

I get the analog rather than digital smoke generators. They need refilling more often but put out more, thicker smoke.
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 22 September 2010 02:58:29(UTC)
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Dreadnought wrote:
I get the analog rather than digital smoke generators.

For most current locos you need the "analog" smoke generators even when running digitally (one current exception is BR 24 #36240 where you should use the "digital" smoke generator for digital operation).

Simply get the type that is recommended by Märklin.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 22 September 2010 04:21:55(UTC)
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I think the Big Boy is another example where the digital smoke generators are required over the 7226 generators. I think this may be because the generators are driven via a relay off the pickup slider, rather than off a decoder function output. Because there are 2 smoke generators in the Big Boy, they will draw more current than a function output can handle, and because they are driven off the track voltage, they need to have a higher voltage specification - 7226 are (I think) 16v, and the digital ones are 20v.
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 22 September 2010 12:36:30(UTC)
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Bigdaddynz wrote:
I think the Big Boy is another example where the digital smoke generators are required over the 7226 generators.

The latest Big Boy #37993 is a bad example.

Loco manual doesn't show which smoke generator should be used.

Initially the product database stated Seuthe #11.
Märklin confirmed via e-mail that Seuthe #10 is correct - and for a while the product database showed this.

Now the product database shows Seuthe #11 again.
Either they made a mistake while updating the database - or they made a mistake with the e-mail they sent me.

I don't hear the click of a relay, so I presume #10/#7226 is correct.
Smoke generators are controlled via a small booster module - I guess it's just a stronger transistor used for switching, so #10 would be correct. If it should be a TRIAC then #11 might be correct.
Confused

The older Big Boy #37991 needs the "digital" smoke generators.
Regards
Tom
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Offline nunk  
#11 Posted : 18 August 2013 02:57:32(UTC)
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Can anyone please advise the correct smoke generators for my locos:

BR 50 981 ex starter set 29640
BR 03 1022 ex starter set 29845

Both have 5mm holes in their chimneys (or is that smoke-stacks?) so my guess is 7226 (5mm) rather than 72270 (3.5mm).

As usual, the loco manuals are silent on the matter. They only state that a smoke generator can be retrofitted.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#12 Posted : 18 August 2013 07:36:08(UTC)
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03 1022 is definitely a 7226 - but one should have come in the set with the loco.

I'd have to check for the Br50, but most likely it is a 7226 that is required.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 18 August 2013 07:51:18(UTC)
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I can't find any information regarding the Br50 in the 29640 set, but I'm sure a 7226 smoke generator is the correct one.

Do you have the manual for the loco that came with the set? If so, the details should be there.
Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 18 August 2013 09:01:54(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: nunk Go to Quoted Post
As usual, the loco manuals are silent on the matter.
See page 26 of this manual:
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http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/37843_betrieb.pdf
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The smoke generator has a small wire coming out at the bottom. With most locos this wire must point to the rear when you push it in.
Fill the smoke generator with 0.1 to 0.2 ml smoke fluid.

Tip: buy Seuthe No. 10, not Märklin 7226. Same smoke generator, but Seuthe includes more useful accessories (a small bottle of smoke fluid and a syringe to inject the correct amount).
Regards
Tom
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Offline BR01097  
#15 Posted : 19 August 2013 03:17:39(UTC)
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Some smoke units provide an ample amount of smoke; others not so great. How are the cleaning paraphernalia meant to be used? Oddly, the instructions in the Seuthe kit are silent on the matter.



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Offline H0  
#16 Posted : 19 August 2013 08:28:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BR01097 Go to Quoted Post
How are the cleaning paraphernalia meant to be used?
Seuthe includes a spare smoke pipe and a thin wire to clean the smoke pipe.

Märklin includes pictures that show the use:
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http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/7226_betrieb.pdf
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Regards
Tom
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Offline nunk  
#17 Posted : 26 August 2013 10:34:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I can't find any information regarding the Br50 in the 29640 set, but I'm sure a 7226 smoke generator is the correct one.

Do you have the manual for the loco that came with the set? If so, the details should be there.


You're quite correct. Page 18 displays a 7226 being fitted into the BR50 chimney. I didn't notice that before.

Thanks,
Neil
Offline nunk  
#18 Posted : 26 August 2013 10:40:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: nunk Go to Quoted Post
As usual, the loco manuals are silent on the matter.
See page 26 of this manual:
Code:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/product_files/1/pdf/37843_betrieb.pdf
(copy URL to address field)

The smoke generator has a small wire coming out at the bottom. With most locos this wire must point to the rear when you push it in.
Fill the smoke generator with 0.1 to 0.2 ml smoke fluid.

Tip: buy Seuthe No. 10, not Märklin 7226. Same smoke generator, but Seuthe includes more useful accessories (a small bottle of smoke fluid and a syringe to inject the correct amount).


Thanks Tom,

I did find the smoke generator info on page 16 of my manual including the details described in the link you provided.

I'll look into the Seuthe unit as you suggested,

Cheers,
Neil
Offline David1954  
#19 Posted : 26 August 2013 20:09:17(UTC)
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If you are installing smoke generator item #7226 it will take you about 1 minute. Do not fill the tube over 2/3 with the smoke liquid. Go to a Marklin Dealers website (Reynauld's) and put in your locomotive product number. When it comes up it will probably tell you which smoke generator to use. Also, you can call them to ask questions. They are helpful and knowledgeable.
Offline nunk  
#20 Posted : 27 August 2013 11:22:50(UTC)
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Thanks everyone. I've now ordered 2 x Seuthe #10 kits for $2 more than 2 x 7226 would have cost (from US would you believe).

Cheers,
Neil
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