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Offline john black  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2004 22:20:12(UTC)
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Hi all:

Received my new NYC 2-8-2 H6 Mikado Steamer (37970) today. All functions perform very well, just top speed is a bit slow [xx(] - although decoder is adjusted to maximum speed. Slow in relation to my new BR18.4 Orient Express Loco (she's really fast, just as her name implies), or even my new ALCO PA-1 Diesel Freighter, who's still a tad faster. Well, all moving parts are o.k., loco runs fine, she's reasonably oiled, gave her a short break-in, too ...

In your opinion, what may be the cause for that relatively slow top speed:

1. It is a Freight Steamer and as such imitats same low top speed as Prototype, and gear ratio is according to that ?

2. That new can-type motors don't run faster ?

3. Who from us owns same model, what are your experiences ?

4. What was the Prototype's top speed ? (did a lot of Googling, couldn't find any information)

Perhaps speed is as it should ...

Many Thanks
John

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Offline rschaffr  
#2 Posted : 07 September 2004 23:42:34(UTC)
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John:
One would like to believe that M has designed the lok to run at prototypical speeds, but I think it is more the function of the motor used. I haven't been able to find any info on speeds for the Mikado either, but this weekend I am going the the Strasburg, PA railroad museum with my Grandson.Smile Maybe I can get some info there.

By the way, when are we gong to see some pictures of the highline?
-Ron
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Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 08 September 2004 00:10:20(UTC)
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John:
Doing a little more searching. Found this site: http://www.o-keating.com/rrt2/locomotives.htm
Go almost to the bottom of the page for the Mikado. It says the top speed was 55mph/87kph


-Ron
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Offline john black  
#4 Posted : 08 September 2004 03:14:38(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br /> ... top speed was 55mph/87kph


Now I see Smile. Well, with modest 55mph top for the real McCoy M's top speed programming should be quite realistic, very good [^].
Ron, many thanks, you were such a great help [:p] !!!
And that web site you found for me I'll visit later in the evening. Now I'm going for posting some layout pictures, if I'm able to ... biggrin

Best Regards
John

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Offline rschaffr  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2004 03:31:23(UTC)
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John:
I didn't realize it until after I had sent you the link, but that site is from the "Railroad Tycoon" game. It appears to be authorititive, though. Most of those games have pretty good data in them. I'm not sure now if the 55/87 is max speed or normal road speed, but either way it is a slow freight lok.
-Ron
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Offline john black  
#6 Posted : 08 September 2004 03:51:04(UTC)
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Ron: I think you are right on the money - that speed seems quite realistic for an Freight Steamer from the Turn of the Century [^].
Visited that site - they rate the 4-6-2 Pacific Express Loco (exactly my BR18.4) with 95mph, that relation, too, fits perfectly well my two M steamers [^].

BTW, tried three times to post some layout pictures (step by step!!!), didn't work [xx(][xx(][xx(] - after downloading it says: NETWORK ERROR - PAGE CAN NOT BE SHOWN ... drats, perhaps I'm too dumb or that bull**** computer's going mad, again [:(!]

John

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Offline digilox1  
#7 Posted : 08 September 2004 05:42:28(UTC)
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John,
Found this link.
http://www.mikado1244.ch/englisch/technik.htm
These locos were brought to Europe by the USATC in 1944/45.
AFAIK they were built by the Canadian Alco plant MLW, now being a part of Bombardier.
Top speed is rated at 100kph=62.5mph.

Regards,
Manfred
Offline rschaffr  
#8 Posted : 08 September 2004 05:51:34(UTC)
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Manfred: That seems to fit. It appears that the one you referred to is an oil fired boiler, which would probably go a little faster. Even if not, I suspect that the 87 km/hr is a road speed and not the max speed.
-Ron
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Offline john black  
#9 Posted : 08 September 2004 17:49:24(UTC)
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Manfred, many thanks for that link - nice web site, and great help from your side, too [:p] !!!
Well, I guess the MONTREAL LOCOMOTIVE WORKS version of BALDWIN's 2-8-2 is a tad faster because of the high-talented fine tuning skills of our Canadian friends Smile. Mine is the (slow [|)]) U.S. version - that's for sure biggrin - but, nevertheless, I really like her, she is cute.
Would be a nice marketing idea for M who until today have never released just a single model of that most beautyful Canadian Steamers. If they wanna be a global player in their business they must sell most of the world's important models - and M enthusiasts from every nation will gladly come and buy. And there are so many models ... I think it is a big mistake M neglecting that GREAT MARKET where they could make LOTS OF CASH [:p][:p][:p]. And then there are the most beautyful locos from Australia (the huge "Garratt", f.e.), England, Europe, New Zealand and South America - waiting to be built ...
BTW, saw in one "BigBoy"-book that "Mikado" stands synonymous for the whole family of 2-8-2 steamers, didn't know before. That's another nice advantage of our great Forum: every other day I gladly learn something new Smile

John

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Offline jeehring  
#10 Posted : 08 September 2004 18:40:46(UTC)
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Hi everybody ,
...More and more , Marklin are designing LOKS to run at prototypical approaching speeds....This is what I have been told .
It's also specified on some instructions manuals , like the one of the Insider BR 05 for example......
No more than 185 km/h on M track ! Yes Sir .....!
bye bye
Offline john black  
#11 Posted : 08 September 2004 19:51:52(UTC)
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Roland - very interesting, many thanks for information Smile! (I just think we M lovers live in good very times)

John

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Offline digilox1  
#12 Posted : 08 September 2004 20:17:12(UTC)
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John,
Garrats! Would instantly buy one, if RTR and priced in the Big Boy class.
A few tasty pictures of these beauties.
http://eureka.m.bigpondhosting.com/Garratt.html

Garrats again! Don`t the South African Garrats run on Cape gauge, "Kapspur" in German, 1067 mm. These could operate on Bemo 12mm tracks which equals 1m/1000mm in 1:87; the tolerance in gauge would be less than 1mm in HO.
http://djhmodelloco.co.u...R_Garratt_Loco_s_81.html

A 2-8-2, Mikado in North American nomenclature, is a 141 in French.
A high quality model of the GE 44 tonner, also brought to Europe by the US Army Transportation Corps. Same for the Alco RSC1 with A1A trucks.
In turn the US Army sent the DR class 19.10 to the US for testing and exhibitions, scrapped in 1952.
This was a streamlined 1`Do1`. This means she had single axle drives with steam driven 2 cylinder motors per each of the driving axles, basically a Mikado style running gear without rods. Found no pictures
of reasonable size and resolution. Long time readers of the Märklin magazine might remember this loco having been featured about two decades ago.

Regards,
Manfred
Offline john black  
#13 Posted : 08 September 2004 20:58:44(UTC)
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Manfred, MANY THANKS for posting - those are really SUPERB LINKS [:p]!!!
Great offers, too - but since they're DC my shopping cart stays empty ... [xx(]

John

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Offline Jacques D.  
#14 Posted : 10 September 2004 09:35:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
<br />would be a nice marketing idea for M who until today have never released just a single model of that most beautyful Canadian Steamers. If they wanna be a global player in their business they must sell most of the world's important models - and M enthusiasts from every nation will gladly come and buy. And there are so many models ... I think it is a big mistake M neglecting that GREAT MARKET where they could make LOTS OF CASH [:p][:p][:p]. And then there are the most beautyful locos from Australia (the huge "Garratt", f.e.), England, Europe, New Zealand and South America - waiting to be built ...

John




Hi,

Right John, I do agree 100 % with you. I would buy as many of them as I could afford.

Kind regards,

Jacques
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Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 10 September 2004 11:07:40(UTC)
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Yep, Jacques - we really like those old steamers [:p]!!!

Best Regards
John

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Offline rschaffr  
#16 Posted : 13 September 2004 03:40:21(UTC)
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John:

Went to the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum today. They had no Mikado class engines on display. They did have one 2-8-2 out in the restoration yard, but it had a much more pronounced firebox that had many bolts or rivets protruding from it and a humped shape in front of the cab. I believe the Mikados had a smooth boiler body from the cab forward, so I guess it wasn't one. Could find no stats on the Mikados there. Sorry. Took a great ride on a restoration of an early 1900's coach pulled by a 2-10-0.
-Ron
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Offline digilox1  
#17 Posted : 13 September 2004 09:00:18(UTC)
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Ron,
I think designations like "Pacific", "Atlantic", "Mikado", "American",
"Hudson", "Northern", and the like have become generic names for certain axle arrangements. I`ve observed their use even for venerable
European steamers like the bavarian S 3/6, DRG/DB class 18.4, a Pacific in Nort American parlance.

Regards,
Manfred
Offline xxup  
#18 Posted : 13 September 2004 13:30:11(UTC)
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Great article on the Mikado in the latest (for Australia) Marklin Magazine. Interesting history..
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Offline john black  
#19 Posted : 14 September 2004 11:49:25(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by rschaffr
<br />Went to the Pennsylvania Railroad Museum today. They had no Mikado class engines on display. Could find no stats on the Mikados there. Sorry. Took a great ride on a restoration of an early 1900's coach pulled by a 2-10-0.


Ron, never mind, and many thanks Smile for being so helpful, anyway. I guess you & your grandson really enjoyed the ride [:p]

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline john black  
#20 Posted : 11 November 2004 22:29:04(UTC)
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Hi all:

In their data sheet M calls the "UNION PACIFIC" Mikado (37973) an "schnelle" Güterzuglocomotive (fast freight loco) whereas my "NEW YORK CENTRAL" Mikado (37970) is called just Mehrzwecklocomotive (multiple purpose loco).
Since my NYC is quite slow (as it is correct prototypically) and the other is called a "fast" loco does anyone know if the two models are technically identical or is the UP faster ?

Many thanks Smile
John

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