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ALopes		#1 Posted : 25 August 2010 16:44:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 35 Location: Portugal		Hello, I've just ordered my CS2 (finally...) but I've realized that the suitable trafo for it (60052), is out of production and the new unit 60061 is not available yet! I have an 18 VA trafo (66191) that came with a starter set, apart from the fact that I'll have less available power (18 VA instead of 60 VA), does anyone knows if I can use the 18 VA trafo with CS2, I mean, does it "plugin"? Thanks for your support. Regards, Antonio
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steventrain		#2 Posted : 25 August 2010 23:02:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Only old 60052 or new 60061 to connect the CS2, The 18VA for use with Mobile station only. 60061 due in stock next month.
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Bigdaddynz		#3 Posted : 26 August 2010 00:47:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		It may work, but you wouldn't have much 'gas' for running locos. You would be better off getting either a 60052 or one of the white 32va transformers off ebay.
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Hemmerich		#4 Posted : 26 August 2010 03:26:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		- Edited by user 19 November 2010 02:04:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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AJ		#5 Posted : 26 August 2010 03:39:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		ALopes wrote: Hello, I've just ordered my CS2 (finally...) but I've realized that the suitable trafo for it (60052), is out of production and the new unit 60061 is not available yet! I have an 18 VA trafo (66191) that came with a starter set, apart from the fact that I'll have less available power (18 VA instead of 60 VA), does anyone knows if I can use the 18 VA trafo with CS2, I mean, does it "plugin"? Thanks for your support. Regards, Antonio Antonio, I have a similar issue with power for my MS2. The 60052 looks like it is available with Michael at EuroModelTrains (http://www.euromodeltrains.com). It is out of stock at most of the European dealers. Alok
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H0		#6 Posted : 26 August 2010 11:19:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Switching-mode power supplies (like 60061) are much better than transformers (like 60052). I wouldn't buy a 60052. The plug of the 66191 should fit for MS2 but not for CS2. I once ran my CS1 with such an 18 VA power supply (not switching-mode though) and it worked. I only made a short test and I don't know if shortcut and overload detection will work. 18 VA should be enough to start a CS2 and to program a loco with it - but I wouldn't run a layout with it. Please note: digital locos standing on the layout will also consume power. Don't try the 18 VA thingy with several locos on the layout.
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ALopes		#7 Posted : 26 August 2010 12:38:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 07/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 35 Location: Portugal		Hello, Thanks to all of you for fast replies. This forum is really fantastic... I've just got my CS2 (it's beautiful...) and the dealer was so kind in borrowing me an adequate trafo, until I get the already ordered 60061. Thanks a lot once again. Best regards, Antonio
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David Dewar		#8 Posted : 26 August 2010 12:59:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,450 Location: Scotland		Well done. Stick with your dealer who sounds good. dave
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AJ		#9 Posted : 26 August 2010 13:23:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		H0 wrote: Hi! Switching-mode power supplies (like 60061) are much better than transformers (like 60052). I wouldn't buy a 60052. Tom, would switching-mode power supply here refer to 230V/110V switching or is it something else? Not clear on how 60061 is different from 60052. Thanks Alok
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AJ		#10 Posted : 26 August 2010 14:09:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		A mystery solved, I got the following email from Marklin regarding power boosting for my MS2 For the Mobile Station we offer no booster. Only for the Central Station 60214 we offer such a technic. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service
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H0		#11 Posted : 26 August 2010 15:47:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		AJ wrote: Not clear on how 60061 is different from 60052. 60061 is a power supply delivers stabilized DC. If CS2 gets a stabilized input voltage, output is almost stable. 60052 is a transformer that delivers unstabilized AC. Under heavy load output voltage of CS2 will be a few volts below its idle voltage. Tests made with CS1 are shown here: https://www.marklin-user...aspx?g=posts&t=15313
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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H0		#12 Posted : 26 August 2010 16:19:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		AJ wrote: A mystery solved, I got the following email from Marklin regarding power boosting for my MS2 For the Mobile Station we offer no booster. Only for the Central Station 60214 we offer such a technic. Not really a mystery. You can use the Märklin "boosters" 6604 or 66045 for that purpose. If you need mfx feedback, you might add a Tams Booster Link.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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dntower85		#13 Posted : 26 August 2010 16:51:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA		AJ wrote: A mystery solved, I got the following email from Marklin regarding power boosting for my MS2 For the Mobile Station we offer no booster. Only for the Central Station 60214 we offer such a technic. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service You wouldn't have MFX feed back but it looks like you could use a Delta controller as a booster. Just make sure its properly isolated. It worked with the MS1 or is there something bad that could happen to the MS2 if done that way?
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AJ		#14 Posted : 26 August 2010 17:26:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		H0 wrote: AJ wrote: Not clear on how 60061 is different from 60052. 60061 is a power supply delivers stabilized DC. If CS2 gets a stabilized input voltage, output is almost stable. 60052 is a transformer that delivers unstabilized AC. Under heavy load output voltage of CS2 will be a few volts below its idle voltage. Tests made with CS1 are shown here: https://www.marklin-user...aspx?g=posts&t=15313 Thank you Tom, both for the explanation and for your thread, which is super helpful since I also have an 8 car ICE3 and was puzzled by why it would slow down sometimes despite being the only train on the layout. Did not realize that 66045 could be used as booster for MS2. I think I will wait till 60061 is released next month and pick up a CS2 + 60061. Will I need the 600173 booster? Alok
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H0		#15 Posted : 26 August 2010 18:22:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,437 Location: DE-NW		AJ wrote: Will I need the 600173 booster? Only if the 2.4 A from the CS2 are not enough for your layout (if it switches off without shortcut when running several trains).
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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hemau		#16 Posted : 27 August 2010 00:18:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 589 Location: The Netherlands		H0 wrote: AJ wrote: Will I need the 600173 booster? Only if the 2.4 A from the CS2 are not enough for your layout (if it switches off without shortcut when running several trains). Like Alok I run a 8 coach ICE 3 (the NS version). If I want to run that with some other 3 locs with Delta decoders, I need at least 3 A from my CS1R. If Alok wants only his ICE to run on the CS2, it will probably work (it takes about 1A). It will just depend on how much load there is on the layout.
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gachar001		#17 Posted : 27 August 2010 00:56:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		dntower85 wrote: AJ wrote: A mystery solved, I got the following email from Marklin regarding power boosting for my MS2 For the Mobile Station we offer no booster. Only for the Central Station 60214 we offer such a technic. Sincerely yours, Your Maerklin Customer Service You wouldn't have MFX feed back but it looks like you could use a Delta controller as a booster. Just make sure its properly isolated. It worked with the MS1 or is there something bad that could happen to the MS2 if done that way? Before I got my CS2, this is the setup I had. My MS2 alone was just shutting down due to overload. After I added the Delta control as a booster, it could support many more trains.
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MikeK		#18 Posted : 27 August 2010 01:52:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 176		AJ wrote: Tom, would switching-mode power supply here refer to 230V/110V switching or is it something else? Not clear on how 60061 is different from 60052. Thanks Alok It's something else... - A switching mode transformer is more efficient than a traditional (non-switching) transformer and delivers a nicely regulated (constant voltage) DC output. I believe it is because of the efficiency that the non-switching ones are being banned in the EU. The efficiency comes from the fact that it either delivers full power or no power (the switch) into its stabilizing circuits, this is done at such a high frequency that the output seems stable. If you are into electronics it might be interesting to see this episode of the EEVblog ^__^ MikeK
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AJ		#19 Posted : 28 August 2010 18:38:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/06/2010(UTC) Posts: 138 Location: Singapore		Thank you all - this now is yet another thread on my list that I keep visiting to read through and absorb. MikeK - the EEVblog link was very helpful. So much to learn Alok
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