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Offline sudibarba  
#1 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:16:34(UTC)
sudibarba

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I just ordered some parts for old loks from Ritter for the first time.
I was pleased to see they take PayPal. I was easily able to send them the required Euros.
What a huge savings over a wire transfer - I wish more vendors would accept PayPal in
Germany.
Eric
Offline Darren W  
#2 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:31:07(UTC)
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I know the Paypal thing has been discussed before and I agree with you. It would make it a lot easier to buy things from Europe if they took Paypal. I would even pay a premium since the cost my bank here charges to send money is outrageous. Cursing

Darren

Offline drstapes  
#3 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:34:57(UTC)
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Isn't Paypal a mandatery requirement of Ebay? At least in the US and UK. Paypal is great 99.9% of the time but if you have an issue there are quiet a few unhappy users.
Regards

Geoff (UK)

marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#4 Posted : 21 July 2010 22:36:53(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Eric,
Let me know when they turn up and your impression of overall service. I'd like to order some parts from them but wanted to hear the perspective of an american who doesn't speak german or have an "in" with them.
Thanks!
SBB Era 2-5
Offline sudibarba  
#5 Posted : 21 July 2010 22:59:59(UTC)
sudibarba

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drstapes wrote:
Isn't Paypal a mandatery requirement of Ebay? At least in the US and UK. Paypal is great 99.9% of the time but if you have an issue there are quiet a few unhappy users.


Unless its changed it's not required in Germany. At least the last time (about a year ago I think), I had to pay $45 for a wire transfer from the USA to Germany.
Eric
Offline Unholz  
#6 Posted : 22 July 2010 08:25:33(UTC)
Unholz

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sudibarba wrote:
I wish more vendors would accept PayPal in Germany.


Sorry, but is it really necessary that Europeans always have to adopt payment systems that originate in the U.S.? Here, wire transfers are the most common, cost-free (!), everyday method of payments. And do you really think that PayPal (which is a subsidiary of Ebay) will remain cheap once Ebay thinks it is time to make a huge profit from their monopoly?

If U.S. banks actually demand a ransom of $45 for a wire transfer to Germany, why don't you criticize their attitude?
Offline nevw  
#7 Posted : 22 July 2010 08:53:54(UTC)
nevw

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Unholz wrote:
sudibarba wrote:
I wish more vendors would accept PayPal in Germany.


Sorry, but is it really necessary that Europeans always have to adopt payment systems that originate in the U.S.? Here, wire transfers are the most common, cost-free (!), everyday method of payments. And do you really think that PayPal (which is a subsidiary of Ebay) will remain cheap once Ebay thinks it is time to make a huge profit from their monopoly?

If U.S. banks actually demand a ransom of $45 for a wire transfer to Germany, why don't you criticize their attitude?


Stefan,
It is not only the US that demands payment for Wire Transfers.

IN OZ bank fees for an International Draft range from $16.00 to $30.00
FOr a Wire Transfer it ranges from $30 to $65 (Depends on Bank) Plus you need to know what the receiving bank charges are.
This is a pain as it is hard to find out. SO you have to take a quess and Over pay and hope that it is enough.
If it is not enough to cover the charges , you do not get the goods as you have underpaid, so you find out the shortfall and possible charges, get another wire transfer etc. Very Expensive.
Paypal are making a lot of money in fees. FOr an international Transaction fee is about 4% to the receiver. National transactions about 2%. also they use an exchange rate about on a par with visa AFTER Visa charge 1.5% International Currency fee.
A Lot of European Firms may not take Paypal but will accept Credit Cards. But then you have to have your credit card on File.
paypal is handy.
Banks have been criticized here for their charges but it is like water off a ducks back.

N

PS:
I believe that Ebay and Paypal are rgistered in Switzeland
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#8 Posted : 22 July 2010 09:54:26(UTC)
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I am always baffled by the cost of wire transfers (both int'l and domestic). To me it seems like a transfer of money from one person's account into another should be fairly easy. Perhaps just punching a few numbers into a computer and it is done. Of course some security measures should be taken on the sender's side, but an ID card would do (just like a Credit Card).

Is anyone in this forum a banker or know of the process for wire transfers? I've had to do a few and it seems they have to get on a phone at a certain time and do some long process which takes a few days. PayPal just seems so easy and straight-forward and what scares me is that it faces almost NO competition (aside from Google Checkout which is not used much anyway). Either way, eBay is going to force its members to use PayPal because the two companies are together.

Regards,

Paul
Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 22 July 2010 10:37:49(UTC)
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We've had this discussion in another thread. Bank transfers are only free within the Euro zone, and possibly extended to a couple more countries like Switzerland and within Scandinavia.
My bank charges me £20 sterling, and we are members of the EU!
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline nevw  
#10 Posted : 22 July 2010 11:12:43(UTC)
nevw

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Ebay in OZ tried to make it compulsary for sellers to use Paypal only. The Consumer protection people stepped in and forced ebay to back off. I believe that is the case in some other countries. However you find that there are many more sellers using Paypal.

NN
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
Offline Unholz  
#11 Posted : 22 July 2010 11:42:38(UTC)
Unholz

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CCS800KrokHunter3 wrote:
PayPal just seems so easy and straight-forward and what scares me is that it faces almost NO competition (aside from Google Checkout which is not used much anyway). Either way, eBay is going to force its members to use PayPal because the two companies are together.


Paul, in Europe (or at least in the EU plus other "modern" countries) wire transfers are just as easy as PayPal. In fact, most people nowadays can easily perform their payments by computer directly from the sender to the recipient - FREE of any charges. See here in English if you are interested:

http://www.currency-iso.org/tksepa_home.htm

Ebay will never succeed in making PayPal compulsory in Europe - we simply don't like monopolies here. Wink And I regard it as a bit blue-eyed to think that Ebay will keep the charges low forever - especially if they think they have no competition. As soon as they believe that they can risk it, they will let the PayPal fees soar skywards. And then we will see some members here searching for simple and cheap alternatives - like wire transfers within the SEPA zone. BigGrin
Offline RayF  
#12 Posted : 22 July 2010 11:59:51(UTC)
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Stephan,

You make it sound like Paypal is holding a gun to my head making me use it. For me it is far easier to pay for some thing on ebay by just clicking on the "pay now" link and clicking on Paypal, than to set up the online transfer which makes me jump through many hoops just to log on securely!

For the buyer, Paypal is free, which for me bank transfers are not. If this situation changes in the future, then I'll reconsider. Until then, those dealers who don't have Paypal don't get my business.

You write of monopolies. Well, I think banks have a lot to keep quiet about in recent times. I don't see why I should give them any more of my hard earned cash for them to throw away as well.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Hemmerich  
#13 Posted : 22 July 2010 14:22:02(UTC)
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Offline Darren W  
#14 Posted : 22 July 2010 20:35:25(UTC)
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Unholz wrote:
sudibarba wrote:
I wish more vendors would accept PayPal in Germany.


Sorry, but is it really necessary that Europeans always have to adopt payment systems that originate in the U.S.? Here, wire transfers are the most common, cost-free (!), everyday method of payments. And do you really think that PayPal (which is a subsidiary of Ebay) will remain cheap once Ebay thinks it is time to make a huge profit from their monopoly?

If U.S. banks actually demand a ransom of $45 for a wire transfer to Germany, why don't you criticize their attitude?



I heavily criticize the banks here in Canada for their high service charges. The fee I pay every month just to use my chequing account is outrageous and if you step out of line or make a mistake it will cost you. I once forgot about a cheque I wrote and when it bounced the bank charged me a huge fee for that. The fee they charged then put me in overdraft so they penalized me for that too. Insult on to injury.Crying Here in Canada if I want to send someone money local I will use Interac email money transfer which costs $1.50 to send but it works well. I can't help but think that the high fees we pay are part of the reason the Canadian banks did not fail.

I don't blame people in Europe or the banks over there either I just complain because it is so difficult for me. Paypal is good but it certainly isn't the best answer either.

Cheers...
Darren
Offline gachar001  
#15 Posted : 22 July 2010 21:40:51(UTC)
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My bank charges me US$45 for a wire transfer. Crooks.
Gautham
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Offline sudibarba  
#16 Posted : 10 August 2010 02:20:35(UTC)
sudibarba

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5HorizonsRR wrote:
Eric,
Let me know when they turn up and your impression of overall service. I'd like to order some parts from them but wanted to hear the perspective of an american who doesn't speak german or have an "in" with them.
Thanks!



I received the parts today August 9. They are exactly as ordered on July 21. I am very happy with the deal as I expected from conversations with Helmut Wilkness (deceased) in the past. As these were small parts they were sent air mail at Euro 6 on August 5. They charged me Euro 10 for shipping and handling which is fine as that is just a standard price at invoice time and fair. It took them about a week and a half to mail them but I am fine with that. Maybe busy or waiting for PayPal to clear.

All in all, I got the parts (lamp Holders & screws) for a 1959 E lok (3024) I bought on Ebay at a cheap price so I am very happy. I also got some replacement light difussers for my 3048,s and a few other things.

Also, they did not charge me VAT so the prices were lower than on the web site.

Eric
Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 10 August 2010 03:21:48(UTC)
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In the reverse direction, somebody in Switzerland sent me an electronic bank draft in CHF. It arrived here via a bank other than my own, and I received a money order from that bank made out in my name for an amount far less than the listed rate for that date. I was hoping to be able to receive the amount in CHF, which I can hold on to until needed for a trip or until redeemed at my bank for a money order to send out in payment for another item.

The disadvantage of PayPal is that in addition to the 4% they charge the recipient, they also charge an additional sum when the money is transferred to an actual account and they do not pay interest on money that is held by them on account.
That, I suppose, is where PayPal will really brings in money in good times.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Soest  
#18 Posted : 11 August 2010 22:30:12(UTC)
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I purchased some pre-war track last fall on German Ebay. The vendor requested a wire transfer but my bank said that the required information was not supplied and suggested a bank draft. I took a chance and sent a bank draft which the vendor was able to cash with no charge at the Commerzbank. However I understood from the vendor that this is not always the case. I suppose it depends on the recognition of the purchasers bank in Germany. In Canada we don't have many banks and as pointed out above they certainly extract their pound of flesh. One of the bright sides to our banking oligopoly is that they are generally well recognized in Europe. In any event the bank draft only cost me five bucks.
Why do grown men play with trains?
Their wives insist they are insane
But their dreams they won't let down the drain
'Cause there ain't no thing so hard to lose as those disappearing railway blues.
Offline nevw  
#19 Posted : 12 August 2010 09:22:22(UTC)
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Today Paypal abolished fees to transfer Money from the Paypal account to a Bank Account or CC Account. SO That is a bit of a savings, in reality they only charged $1 per transfer so not too bad.

Nev
NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
and a hose pipe on the aorta
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