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Offline Ranjit  
#1 Posted : 21 August 2004 19:37:17(UTC)
Ranjit


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Hi All,

How is uncoupling done anywheere on track automatically? I have never done this before except by using an uncoupling track. Is it done by the use of telex couplers? If so, how? Is it necessary to change the coupling of all the cars to perform this action?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline john black  
#2 Posted : 21 August 2004 19:40:51(UTC)
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Had such when a boy (40 years back biggrin) - Telex is loco-installed, no need for changing the car's couplers

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Offline Fredrik  
#3 Posted : 21 August 2004 20:47:29(UTC)
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Hi,

Telex-couplers can even (if wanted) be waggon-installed. There is a coupler available which fits into NEM coupler pockets.

See the following manufacturer:

http://member.ycn.com/~krois/

Be aware that the english pages are not correctly updated regarding their products, only the german pages shows the correct version. There is even a current-conducting version...

Fredrik.
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Offline Ranjit  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2004 08:12:11(UTC)
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Hi John and Fredrik,

Now, I am totally confused! Loco installed or can the coupling be selectively installed in cars? Which one? Fredrik's link suggests that it can be installed in cars too. Must say that the English pages of the site is difficult to read and understand to say the least!

Thank you, Fredrik for providing the link anyways.

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline McLae  
#5 Posted : 22 August 2004 08:47:23(UTC)
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Standard Telex is part of the Lok design (such as 3096, 33961, etc). You can order Telex spare parts to install on some Loks.

Non-marklin companies make after-market telex clones that you can install on either Loks or cars (with function decoder and power connection).

How telex works: The coupler has a hook and a loop. The loop stays down in normal running. Relex or close couplers connect with their loop over the hook. To uncouple, the decoder or reversing unit activates an electromagnet that raises the Telex loop. This uncouples the car from the Lok.

Hope this helps.Smile
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Offline Ranjit  
#6 Posted : 22 August 2004 12:47:45(UTC)
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Hi Thomas,

Thank you for hand holding and walking me through these very simple solutions.

I have a number of 3000's, a 3003, 3141 and a 3375 locomotives. Do you know if these can be upgraded with telex coupling? Is there information somewhere which describes which locos can be fited with telex coupling? Also, where can I obtain information about the spart parts for loco and car telex couplers?

What are these function decoder and power connection that you talk about?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Fredrik  
#7 Posted : 22 August 2004 13:24:55(UTC)
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Hi Ranjit,

well the 3000's you can forget, probably the 3003 too. The 3141 and/or the 3375 could be converted with the Krois-coupler if it has a NEM coupler pocket (i.e. the Marklin close-coupler is mounted).

Then which type of Krois-coupler depends on if your driving analog or digital, and if you want current-conducting couplers or not.

The digital type may also, decoder-dependent, need to have a "time-circuit" connected between decoder-coupler that insures an activation time of less than 4 seconds (some decoders provide this feature).

For engines with 6080, 6090 type decoders you would need an extra function decoder to activate the Krois-coupler(s). Or in that case: Rather install a 6090x decoder instead... :-)

From Marklin spare parts however, none of these locomotives can be converted (or am I wrong about the 3003 front coupler??). The Krois seems to me to be the better way anyway.

If you're driving analog, then you have a problem - activation of the Telex requires a certain reversing unit - solution: go digital (my opinion)! It could be possible to switch the reversing unit but I wonder: (a) - if possible, and (b) if it's worth the effort - as you probably want to go digital anyway in the future...

Fredrik.
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Offline Ranjit  
#8 Posted : 22 August 2004 14:22:55(UTC)
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Hi Fredrik,

Thank you so much for a detailed account on couplers which has prompted me to ask you some more questions! Now, what is the difference between the close coupler 7203 and the relex coupler 72060; and what is this standard coupler pockets NEM 362 and guide mechanism. How do I find out what I have on my locos and cars?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Fredrik  
#9 Posted : 22 August 2004 17:06:52(UTC)
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Hi,

regarding the couplers 7203 and 72060 and the NEM 362 coupler pocket there is no difference - in this case the base for the Krois-coupler is already present. However if there are locos/waggons with Relex-couplers that are not mounted in the NEW-pocket (i.e. they look like 7205 in the "mounting-end") then it won't work.

Fredrik.

So if the coupler can be released simply by pulling it straightforward then you have what's needed, if you must pull down to release the coupler or it can be loosened at all, then you don't.

Fredrik.
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Offline rugauger  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2004 06:38:42(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by fredsaf
<br />...well the 3000's you can forget...
Not so hasty - it can be done, provided you're willing to put in the effort. See http://home.arcor.de/dr....nig/digital/etelexei.htm .
Richard
Offline franciscohg  
#11 Posted : 23 August 2004 07:25:28(UTC)
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Agreed with Richard, it will not be easy but it certainly can be done
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Offline McLae  
#12 Posted : 23 August 2004 09:20:44(UTC)
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Back to basics:
NEM 362 refers to a standard coupler pocket. The coupler part has a small fork that fits into a box on the car or Lok. Most newer items have these. Any standard NEM type coupler can be used on any caar or Lok with the pocket. Several Roco and Brawa sets and Loks come with several coupler types; you choose whech to install. (I have a Lima flatcar that requires the couplers to be removed before it fits in the box[:p])

Function decoder is a decoder that has only function outputs, no motor connections. Think of it as a k83 that fits into a car or Lok. You address it like any Lok decoder, so it looks to your 6021 or IB just like another Lok. Of course the decoder and whatever functions require power, so the car (or Lok) must have electrical connection to wheels for ground and a slider for power. One common use is to control lights in passenger cars.

Relex couplers are the classic Marklin coupler design. Simple, robust, and ugly.[:p] Sometime in the 80's Marklin came up with a new design, Close Coupler. The shape of the loop changes, and the distance between cars got shorter. If you hace the 2004 catalog, turn to page 247 for examples of both types. (Also shows the 'fork' for NEM 362Smile)

Lots of information you can get from reading the catalogs. The Marklin, Roco, and Viessmann catalogs are best at that. biggrinbiggrin
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Offline klinge-germany  
#13 Posted : 26 August 2004 14:35:59(UTC)
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be patient.... in one very early issue of the Märklin Magazin (i think of the early 70's) there is a proposal of how to equip a 3005 (class 23) and a 3003 (class24) with Telex couplers derived from Märklin spare parts at the rear end of the locos. I have done this for my class 23, easy conversion because only the switch unit and the rear double axle of the tank has to be exchanged, the double axle was the spare part from class 44 (3047). The old class 01 (3048 ?) could be upgraded the same way. Because i don't own a class 24 i haven't done it.
And with digital nowadays the problems with the switch units should have vanished.
Good luck form germany
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Offline Fredrik  
#14 Posted : 26 August 2004 23:37:30(UTC)
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Are there anyone who's got the 37841 (DB Class 50) with rear mounted Telex? What type of telex-coupling is that? Is it a "NEM-based" one, or a Marklin Special (i.e. can't be fitted in another loco)? Or would it be possible to mount that coupling in any other engine with NEM-coupler-pocket?

Fredrik.
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Offline McLae  
#15 Posted : 27 August 2004 03:56:20(UTC)
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telex uses wires running into the Lok (or car). You must move the wires with the telex, which is so much work that NEM is a moot point. NEM might require less work, but not by much. (IMHObiggrin)
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Offline drstapes  
#16 Posted : 29 August 2004 08:43:30(UTC)
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The best way to find out about telex is to get hold of an old loco already fitted.Such as a 3031 steam or if my memory is correct a 3065 disel loco. They come up on ebay from time to time at a resonable price.
regards
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Offline Peter Neumann  
#17 Posted : 07 November 2004 21:28:46(UTC)
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Has anyone in the users-net every converted a 3065 with telex to Loksound digital, and if so, how do you activate the telex function with a 6021?

My fear is that the answer is "you can not" do that.

Peter Neumann
Gulf Breeze, Florida
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