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Offline TomB  
#1 Posted : 14 May 2010 13:57:37(UTC)
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Hallo.

I want to mention for you that the german modeller Andreas (Andi) is testing and comparing these two centrals with colour screens.

The test is nicely objective and therefore useful for many modellers wo wants an advice for a new central.

I was also interested in the conclusions because I would not really like to buy the cat in the bag. Who would ?

Are the two centrals almost like or can you say that one is the better one ?

So far, it ends with this conclusion:

Still beat the both centrals brave, a clear recommendation in one direction or the other I can not give at this time.
For me, the race is still exciting.

Site map (german):

1. Auspacken und Anschließen (22. Apr.)
.. 1.1 Bedienungsanleitung und Hilfe (25. Apr.)
2. Die erste Lok (23. Apr.)
3. Backups und Updates (23. Apr.)
4. Magnetartikel und das erste Gleisbildstellpult (26. Apr.)
5. Fahrstraßen (01. Mai)
6. Drehscheibensteuerung (02. Mai)
.. 6.1 Drehscheibenfunktionen ins CS 2 Layout integrieren (18. Mai)
7. Jede Menge Loks (05. Mai)
.. 7.1 Massenanmeldung von mfx-Loks (05. Mai)
.. 7.2 Loks manuell anlegen (Motorola und DCC) (13. Mai)
.. 7.3 Loks auswählen und fahren (13. Mai)
.. 7.4 Mehrfachtraktionen (16. Mai)
10. Grundlagen und Tutorials
.. 10.1 Einrichten einer Pendelstrecke mit der CS 2 (07. Mai)

Link: Test in Stummi-Forum

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Offline dntower85  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2010 19:01:41(UTC)
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thanks for the link. It is a very good comparison with lots of information. Took a while to struggle though the translation but I learned a lot.
DT
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Offline David Dewar  
#3 Posted : 15 May 2010 01:48:30(UTC)
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Has to be Marklin because we are Marklin enthusiasts and they need our support. If the ECOS was considerably better then it would be different.
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 15 May 2010 02:02:17(UTC)
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Flash Dave, I thought we only had one Marklin cheerleader here!

Andreas has certainly made a huge effort in his comparison, and it is good to see that the Ecos is holding its own against the CS2. An interesting comment was the one about the Ecos being the faster of the 2 Central Units. That was confirmed by another poster who said his CS2 was sluggish compared to his CS1R and Ecos 1. Much has been made about the CS2's supposedly faster processor.
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Offline dntower85  
#5 Posted : 15 May 2010 06:35:02(UTC)
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The CS II was much faster when it came to registering 12 mfx locs on the 6 minutes on the cs2 to 20 on the Ecos.

I'm too impatient to wait 20 minutes, I would be thinking that it had crashed by then.

Railcom and the 4 amp output with a transformer included seem to be the only big pluses for the Ecos
DT
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 15 May 2010 07:27:55(UTC)
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dntower85 wrote:
Railcom and the 4 amp output with a transformer included seem to be the only big pluses for the Ecos


That, and the fact you can use the Ecos RadioControl mobile devices with either of the Ecos units, which you can't with a CS2.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#7 Posted : 15 May 2010 14:35:40(UTC)
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Offline David Dewar  
#8 Posted : 15 May 2010 14:39:24(UTC)
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Hi Big D. I am a supporter of the CS2 as ESU supplied so much rubbish to Marklin (well the MS1 anyway plus the CS1 with no booster etc) ESU are now losing decoder business to I think more than Marklin and last toime I spoke to my dealer CS2 was outselling ECOS by 20 to 1.
I would not be surprised thyat in the future Marklin locs with their chips may need CS2 software to obtain all their features.
Apologies to all those with an ECOS who I know will defend them to the death lol. and quite rightly so.

I do like other makes as well as M and I like Brawa stuff and HAG but both prices are far too expensive so for me Marklin is No. 1. However the firm is still poorly run and suffers from too many loco faults.

Flash PS Big D when you get your mega start set I think you will be delighted with the CS2.
You could say I am not a cheer leader but just a cheerer !!
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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Offline mmervine  
#9 Posted : 15 May 2010 15:16:28(UTC)
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For us members here, it doesn't have to be CS2 vs. ECOS. It is great to have a choice and the competition between Marklin and ESU will make both of these better with software updates and added features!BigGrin

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Offline DRG  
#10 Posted : 16 May 2010 13:14:50(UTC)
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David Dewar wrote:
Hi Big D. I am a supporter of the CS2 as ESU supplied so much rubbish to Marklin (well the MS1 anyway plus the CS1 with no booster etc) ESU are now losing decoder business to I think more than Marklin and last toime I spoke to my dealer CS2 was outselling ECOS by 20 to 1.
I would not be surprised thyat in the future Marklin locs with their chips may need CS2 software to obtain all their features.
Apologies to all those with an ECOS who I know will defend them to the death lol. and quite rightly so.

I do like other makes as well as M and I like Brawa stuff and HAG but both prices are far too expensive so for me Marklin is No. 1. However the firm is still poorly run and suffers from too many loco faults.

Flash PS Big D when you get your mega start set I think you will be delighted with the CS2.
You could say I am not a cheer leader but just a cheerer !!


Hi David,

there are no doubts that there are dealers out there who favor Märklin.
>....I spoke to my dealer CS2 was outselling ECOS by 20 to 1.<

It can not be denied,that there are prejudices in play.
By 20 to 1 I can´t draw any other conclusion.

>I would not be surprised thyat in the future Marklin locs with their chips may need CS2 software to obtain all their features.<

This must be fearedThumbDown

Best regards

DRG

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2010 14:12:20(UTC)
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As Flash Dave suggests, I'm thinking of getting the mega starter set with CS2 when it comes out later this year. But I'm also intending to update my CS1 to v3.0, so I can have the best of both worlds. Pity I can't connect them together.

I've also got a MS2 on the way, should arrive in a week or so.
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Offline David Dewar  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2010 15:30:18(UTC)
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Sounds good Big D. Interesting to see how your MS2 does. At present I connect my old MS1 to the CS2 and so far it works fine as an extra control. I usually only run two locos at the same time as any more than that and I spend more time looking at the controllers than the trains. What I need is an assistant driver.

Flash
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Offline Davy  
#13 Posted : 17 May 2010 13:22:48(UTC)
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Bigdaddynz wrote:
As Flash Dave suggests, I'm thinking of getting the mega starter set with CS2 when it comes out later this year. But I'm also intending to update my CS1 to v3.0, so I can have the best of both worlds. Pity I can't connect them together.

I've also got a MS2 on the way, should arrive in a week or so.


If you wouldnot update your CS1 you can use him with the CS2. You need a connect 60121 then.

http://mediencms.maerkli...p/de/produkte/cs2map.gif

M-track with a CS2.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 17 May 2010 14:35:40(UTC)
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The 60121 is not being produced Davy. The CS1 to CS2 connection is via the ethernet ports on both devices, but the CS2 software only recognises CS1 version up to 2.0.4, v3.0 does not work.

Marklin issued a newer architecture diagram than the one you posted.

The reason I want to upgrade my CS1 to v3.0 is so that I can use the Ecos RadioControl with it.


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Offline RayF  
#15 Posted : 17 May 2010 14:46:18(UTC)
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David,

In the diagram you posted there is no link between the 60125 and the CS2. Is this a mistake? How do you interface the 6021 equipment to the CS2?
Ray
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 17 May 2010 14:53:29(UTC)
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Ray, the connection of the 60125 terminal to the CS2 AFAIK is with the normal terminal cable.

Connection of the 6021 series equipment is with the 60128 Connect 6021 device seen at the left hand of the 6021 bank of equipment. It plugs into the left hand socket of the 6021, and has a cable which plugs into the CS2 or 60125 terminal.


The 60128 Connect 6021 device has been discussed in this thread:

https://www.marklin-user...aspx?g=posts&t=14936
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