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Offline Davy  
#1 Posted : 04 February 2010 21:45:35(UTC)
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Metal model with smoke and sound. Smoke is synchroon to sound.

Price AC model 380 euro.

www.esu.eu/produkte/esu-...iven/baureihe-215-in-h0/
http://stummi.foren-city...uch-und-sound-in-h0.html


That would ne nice but the price is way to high. The only thing what is nice is a powerpack.


More info here.

www.esu.eu/fileadmin/dow..._I_Januar_2010_eBook.pdf

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Offline TomB  
#2 Posted : 04 February 2010 23:03:41(UTC)
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Hallo Davy.

I think this loco looks promising. Different lamps inside the loco. Sound of door closing etc. everything.

The last Märklin Br.218 cost 270 euro. We will see if the increase of 109 euro is good spent money. BigGrin

This is so close you can come to a Märklin loco ! Very close .. Confused Angry BigGrin


Ordinary price: 379 euro

31020 BR 215 010, Purpurrot, Epoche IV, Vorbildzustand um 1989, DC-Ausführung, mit getaktetem Raucherzeuger, LokSound Decoder, Dual-Speaker, PowerPack

32020 BR 215 010, Purpurrot, Epoche IV, Vorbildzustand um 1989, AC-Ausführung, mit getaktetem Raucherzeuger, LokSound Decoder, Dual-Speaker, PowerPack

31021 BR 215 009, Ozeanblau-Beige, Epoche IV/V, Vorbildzustand um 1990, DC-Ausführung, mit getaktetem Raucherzeuger, LokSound Decoder, Dual-Speaker, PowerPack

32021 BR 215 009, Ozeanblau-Beige, Epoche IV/V, Vorbildzustand um 1990, AC-Ausführung, mit getaktetem Raucherzeuger, LokSound Decoder, Dual-Speaker, PowerPack

51990 Passendes Rauchdestillat, speziell abgestimmt auf ESU Raucherzeuger, 125 ml Flasche


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Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 05 February 2010 06:19:02(UTC)
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Euro 279.-- for a sound, digital Diesel loco, in excess of 500g, metal housing & chassis, instrument panel lighting, cab lighting, shunting mode lights, spring buffers, brass steps, steel springs (bogy), pivoting driver step (bogy), brass handrails, fine detailed roof see through grid, turnout and curved track sensors, temperature control & load dependant smokegenerator (debating whether or not the smoke is white or black), noise reduced commutator (armature).
The sound functions suppose to recreate the beginning of a driver getting up the stairs, openening the door, slamming the door, etc.etc. until the motor is actually started.
the reason for using a BR 215 is, ESU factory is in ULM and it also represents an era of diesel locos centerpoint.

Here are some photos in detail:
http://www.esu.eu/filead..._I_Januar_2010_eBook.pdf

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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 05 February 2010 11:13:51(UTC)
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Euro 379 - that's Euro 110 above M*'s BR 218 with sound.
I got my Roco BR 215 for Euro 30 (plastic without sound).

I'll wait till I can read test reports in MRR magazines and will take a look at the street prices then - and then I might consider getting one ...
I won't pre-order that one.

A lot of money for a Diesel loco with white smoke ...
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 05 February 2010 11:24:36(UTC)
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I like the one but price too expensive.
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Offline supermoee  
#6 Posted : 05 February 2010 15:27:17(UTC)
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Hello,

interesting, ESU is delivering with this loco even spare parts package as buffers, windscreen wipers, treads ecc.

This means to me that those parts are quite fragile or are falling off easily. Does not look a very robust model, and this for 380 Euros.OhMyGod

Interesting the new sound controls by movement sensors, which can differ from straight or curved run or run over switches. This opens a lot of new possibilities like squeaking while passing over switches or in narrow curves ecc.
The light funvtion are multiple, but I do not thing that the dashboard illumination will me very visible

The smoke function I do not care. I never saw a realistic smoke generator in MRR models. I do not think ESU will make it better. The smoke of a diesel loco differs a lot from service situation, from nearly invisible to carbon black. I do not see how ESU should effort all this different colors.
The smoke picture on the ESU brochure does not look very promising.
That's the main reason I do not have smoke generators. They look silly, maybe good to impress kids, but not more.

379 Euro is a lot of money for a standard diesel engine made in china. But I read allready about a lot of people who are willing to buy it. This shows that if there is enough to play with, the price will be not relevant anymore.

rgds

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Offline Hemmerich  
#7 Posted : 05 February 2010 16:55:39(UTC)
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supermoee wrote:
That's the main reason I do not have smoke generators. They look silly, maybe good to impress kids ...


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PS: Stephan, just take a look at the loco base shape and the product description regarding 2-rail vs. 3 rail traction (sounds very familiar). Wink
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Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 05 February 2010 19:05:13(UTC)
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H0 wrote:
Euro 379 - that's Euro 110 above M*'s BR 218 with sound.
I got my Roco BR 215 for Euro 30 (plastic without sound).

I'll wait till I can read test reports in MRR magazines and will take a look at the street prices then - and then I might consider getting one ...
I won't pre-order that one.

A lot of money for a Diesel loco with white smoke ...


Marklin would too do it same way,for the prices!!!
There is smoke generator too and besides two headspeaker too!!!
Normally prices as suppose!!!
And also USP(uninterruptable signalprocessing)!!!

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Offline Goofy  
#9 Posted : 05 February 2010 19:13:48(UTC)
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supermoee wrote:
Hello,

interesting, ESU is delivering with this loco even spare parts package as buffers, windscreen wipers, treads ecc.

This means to me that those parts are quite fragile or are falling off easily. Does not look a very robust model, and this for 380 Euros.OhMyGod



Good service from ESU perhaps about spare parts,which i wouldn´t saying about Marklin!
Nice work,ESU! ThumpUp


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Offline Goofy  
#10 Posted : 05 February 2010 19:20:04(UTC)
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supermoee wrote:
Hello,

The smoke function I do not care. I never saw a realistic smoke generator in MRR models. I do not think ESU will make it better.



KM has smoke generator too at theirs diesel locomotiv BR V100!
Works very fine!

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Offline Goofy  
#11 Posted : 05 February 2010 19:21:49(UTC)
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ESU with theirs new diesel locomotiv BR 215 is just so far an "handmuster",which means not readymade model!

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Offline TomB  
#12 Posted : 06 October 2010 10:55:27(UTC)
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ESU say now their Br 215 will come to the dealers in the weeks 48-49,
that meens within a 9 weeks time.
I will take a oceanblue/beige for the price of 330 euros (incl. VATS) from my german dealer.
Normal price is 379 euros.
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Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 06 October 2010 11:09:15(UTC)
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If they do a cheaper version without sound and smoke gimmicks I might consider it!

I already have a Marklin 39180 Br218 with full sound, and a 3374 Br216 converted to 5 pole digital, so it's not high on my wish list.
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Offline GSRR  
#14 Posted : 28 February 2011 00:54:25(UTC)
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ESU say now their Br 215 will come to the dealers in the weeks 48-49,
that meens within a 9 weeks time.
I will take a oceanblue/beige for the price of 330 euros (incl. VATS) from my german dealer.
Normal price is 379 euros.



Tom,

did you receive your BR215? What are your impressions?



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Offline GSRR  
#15 Posted : 28 February 2011 00:57:15(UTC)
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I see that ESU is also introducing for 2011 the BR218.

http://www.esu.eu/filead...ge-1_ESU-KG_DE_eBook.pdf




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#16 Posted : 01 September 2011 16:47:46(UTC)
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Has anybody gotten either the BR 215 or the BR 218?


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Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 01 September 2011 17:20:48(UTC)
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Has anybody gotten either the BR 215 or the BR 218?

No, but I've seen several of the 215s (at the IMA Cologne 2010 and at club meetings).

I like the sounds and the light effects, but the smoke is IMHO ridiculous (but others love the smoke).
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#18 Posted : 01 September 2011 17:38:21(UTC)
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Has anybody gotten either the BR 215 or the BR 218?

No, but I've seen several of the 215s (at the IMA Cologne 2010 and at club meetings).

I like the sounds and the light effects, but the smoke is IMHO ridiculous (but others love the smoke).



Hi Tom.

What was your impression of the quality of the model?

Perhaps if there was a way to make black smoke?


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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 01 September 2011 17:58:57(UTC)
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What was your impression of the quality of the model?

My impression was good, but I only saw them driving on layouts.
IIRC they come fully mounted, but include spare parts for some fragile tiny thingies.

I won't buy it in the near future (I have enough locos from the V 160 family), but I can't say anything bad about this model to stop you from buying it.

Black smoke would look better, but can't be done without health risks (and who wants that dirt on the layout?).
But you don't have to turn smoke on.
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#20 Posted : 01 September 2011 18:22:19(UTC)
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Thanks Tom.

I have a couple of older analog models, this is a better alternative than a conversion.


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#21 Posted : 01 September 2011 22:57:38(UTC)
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Has anybody gotten either the BR 215 or the BR 218?



I'm still waiting for the Lokshop to get mine in stock - I ordered the Br215.
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#22 Posted : 02 September 2011 00:21:32(UTC)
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Has anybody gotten either the BR 215 or the BR 218?



I'm still waiting for the Lokshop to get mine in stock - I ordered the Br215.



Have they told you the reason for delay? Heavy demand or small production lots?



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#23 Posted : 02 September 2011 01:30:03(UTC)
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Hi Thomas, no they haven't said why the delay - it's been about 4 months since I ordered it.

The weekly updates from the Lokshop just say it is still on backorder, which I assume means that Lokshop think it can be supplied at some stage.
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#24 Posted : 02 September 2011 01:38:52(UTC)
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Hi Thomas, no they haven't said why the delay - it's been about 4 months since I ordered it.

The weekly updates from the Lokshop just say it is still on backorder, which I assume means that Lokshop think it can be supplied at some stage.



Well at least it has been released, maybe soon eh? I am still interested in the BR 218.



Have you come across an exploded parts view of the BR 215?
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#25 Posted : 02 September 2011 01:56:07(UTC)
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supermoee wrote:
Hello,

The smoke function I do not care. I never saw a realistic smoke generator in MRR models. I do not think ESU will make it better.



KM has smoke generator too at theirs diesel locomotiv BR V100!
Works very fine!


...Goofy
KM did it a long time ago on steamer models for scale 1.
But KM is Scale 1 manufacturer....
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#26 Posted : 02 September 2011 02:32:30(UTC)
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Have you come across an exploded parts view of the BR 215?



No, not yet!
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#27 Posted : 02 September 2011 09:05:41(UTC)
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Have you come across an exploded parts view of the BR 215?



No, not yet!



Ersatzteilblatt

Try here:


http://www.esu.eu/downlo...esu-engineering-edition/




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#28 Posted : 02 September 2011 11:17:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post

Have they told you the reason for delay? Heavy demand or small production lots?


Hello,

by reading in the german forums I would tip on heavy quality problems of the first lots.
Probably they do not have solved them all until now and can deliver only small amounts because of the high scrap rate of the components.

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The smoke function I do not care. I never saw a realistic smoke generator in MRR models. I do not think ESU will make it better.

KM has smoke generator too at theirs diesel locomotiv BR V100!
Works very fine!


without having seen the KM1 V100 smoking, I guess it looks awful like the ESU Br215. White smoke on a diesel engine ThumbDown Mabye in scale 1 the physics of the smoke looks better, but the Br215 of ESU looks like the smoke of a cigarette.

look here how the smoke of a diesel engine looks like:



the smoke is visible only if the engine is under full load and what it is more important, it is BLACK.

The ESU cigarette smoke has nothing to di with it.

rgds

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#29 Posted : 02 September 2011 11:32:58(UTC)
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Thanks Thomas.
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#30 Posted : 02 September 2011 17:42:28(UTC)
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Thanks Thomas.



Pleasure David.



Hello,

by reading in the german forums I would tip on heavy quality problems of the first lots.
Probably they do not have solved them all until now and can deliver only small amounts because of the high scrap rate of the components.



Stephan. Is it isolated to particular parts, or manufacturing process? Does anyone know where ESU manufacture their loks?


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