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Jeremy Palmer		#1 Posted : 16 December 2009 03:19:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Hello Friends, I always coveted the 26730 set and was never able to find one[V][V], but I did find a Delta version 28730. Marklin info. ref. the 26730 mentions a red light on the last wagon. Does this hold true for the Delta version. I can't look at the set as it is in storage in the US. (Ref. said light, does it run from a pick up shoe)? Many thanks as always, Jeremy.
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7gauges		#2 Posted : 16 December 2009 03:44:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/12/2002(UTC) Posts: 329		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Palmer <br />Hello Friends, I always coveted the 26730 set and was never able to find one[V][V], but I did find a Delta version 28730. Marklin info. ref. the 26730 mentions a red light on the last wagon. Does this hold true for the Delta version. I can't look at the set as it is in storage in the US. (Ref. said light, does it run from a pick up shoe)? Many thanks as always, Jeremy. Great score - I had no idea this was so sought after and expensive. What's the scoop with that? Yes, the light on the tail end box car runs off of a pickup shoe on both the delta and digital versions, same as 4411.
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Jeremy Palmer		#3 Posted : 16 December 2009 04:41:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Hi 7G, Not sure, but I believe it was the only Kroc. freight set M released until a recent start set, so that may be it. I got mine from Will at modellbahn and as usually happens a couple of weeks later he got the dig. one. Life. Think that sold for 850.00. Robert at RJF will do a conversion for me. Thanks for help on lights. All the best for the holidays. Jeremy.
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mike c		#4 Posted : 16 December 2009 05:01:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		There is no difference between the two sets, other than the 26730 being digital (decoders in lok and in box car). The decoder in the box car is accessible from underneath to set the code. This way, the flashing light can be switched on or off digitally. The lights on the Krokodil in the 26730 Set DO NOT activate in analog use. This was pretty common in the original 36XX(X) series loks. There is also some flickering of the lights in digital operation. Both issues can be solved by upgrading the decoder to a 37XXX equivalent. The set was issued to commemmorate the 25th Anniversary of Maerklin CH in 1998. I like the set, but I have added some DB and FS cars to make it more of a prototypical Gotthard freight train of the era. The Italian boxcars with their tilted roofs were very distinctive and identifiable. Another typical consist (not from the Set) would be a Krokodil and a train consist of the new "Weiacher" hopper cars. Regards Mike C
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foumaro		#5 Posted : 16 December 2009 09:26:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Yes,the waggon has a pickup shoe and a little red light.The set is great,you made a nice choise.I have the 28730 delta version.
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James Yao		#6 Posted : 16 December 2009 13:42:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2009(UTC) Posts: 41 Location: Singapore, Singapore		I have 26730. The loco is made of metal, it is very heavy and sturdy. Best of all, all the cars are well weathered. Definitely a good pick! (:
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pa-pauls		#7 Posted : 16 December 2009 14:43:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi Jeremy, This is a very nice SBB set, congratulation's
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5HorizonsRR		#8 Posted : 16 December 2009 18:18:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		Hey Jeremy, Awesome set- I have two :) (told you its a sickness) Its not cheap, but then again you get 7 cars and a weathered croc for the price of the 39569(?)weathered croc by itself when it came out. You can digitalize your croc to 26730 spec for probably like $75 bucks or so. The boxcar I actually prefer the delta variant as it flashes no matter what and doesn't need to be turned on/off Enjoy!
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steventrain		#9 Posted : 16 December 2009 18:55:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		Good find, Jeremy.
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alonso231gery		#10 Posted : 16 December 2009 19:30:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 24/08/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,959 Location: Hellas (Athens)		Well done Jeremy, maybe you should also search for these wagons: Ps: I got it for 300 euros some years ago, from a large collector.
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Jeremy Palmer		#11 Posted : 21 December 2009 13:41:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Does anyone know the M # of the freight set in Alonzo's post? Thanks, Jeremy.
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RayF		#12 Posted : 21 December 2009 14:48:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,869 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Palmer <br />Does anyone know the M # of the freight set in Alonzo's post? Thanks, Jeremy. 48803?
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 21 December 2009 19:24:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,685 Location: United Kingdom		48803 Koll price guide 80 Euros.
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pa-pauls		#14 Posted : 21 December 2009 19:29:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		48803 is era 2 the Croc set 26730/28730 is era 3
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RayF		#15 Posted : 21 December 2009 20:59:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,869 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Pål, I guess you're right, but I see very little difference between the Swiss Era II and Era III wagons. What is the main difference we should look for?
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svgeorgiad		#16 Posted : 21 December 2009 21:47:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 616 Location: Athens,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by alonso231gery <br />Well done Jeremy, maybe you should also search for these wagons: Ps: I got it for 300 euros some years ago, from a large collector. Hi Alonso! When will you be back to Athens? Are u coming for Xmas? .
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pa-pauls		#17 Posted : 21 December 2009 21:59:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/06/2002(UTC) Posts: 1,843 Location: Norway		Hi Symeon ! Nikos is back in Athens already as I talked with him on the Messenger 2 days ago
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Jeremy Palmer		#18 Posted : 22 December 2009 02:49:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Hi Everyone, Just going through my notes ref. my "collection" and I see that Will at modellbahn had made the Gottardo start set from a couple of years ago available as separate pieces and I bought the freight wagons from that set. Thanks one and all, Jeremy.
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intruder		#19 Posted : 22 December 2009 03:35:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Very nice set, Jeremy. I have the 26730. 48803 is on my wishing list.
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Bigdaddynz		#20 Posted : 22 December 2009 03:38:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		I have neither......[:(] But, I would if I could! [^]
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 04 January 2017 10:08:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz I have neither...... Not any more! This 28730 set has just arrived in the country, per kind favour of bobsr - see Bobsr's items for sale I should have it soon, so will post further photos when it arrives. Since the loco is a Delta version, I'm going to have to get a msd3 decoder for it (already got a spare motor kit).
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foumaro		#22 Posted : 04 January 2017 17:10:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		Never is too late.
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mike c		#23 Posted : 04 January 2017 21:33:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,216 Location: Montreal, QC		As I stated in my earlier post in this topic, the perfect compliment to this set with the Krok is to add a few German and Italian cars to complete a typical Gotthard consist. I chose the 47878 and 47889 sets. You could also consider the 47367 DB/FS set. My personal favourite is the 46331 Weiacher Gravel car set. Unfortunately Maerklin made this set Era IV and not Era III, but these trains could still be found until the early 1970s, so I can overlook some of the details. https://bahnbilder.ch/pictures/large/10552.jpg https://bahnbilder.ch/pictures/original/10553.jpg http://www.bahnbilder.de...eums-50-jahre-610978.jpg Regards Mike C
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dominator		#24 Posted : 04 January 2017 22:42:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,201 Location: Kerikeri		Hi BD, I got mine from Phil Fedorenko around 2000 for $1125.00. It's a nice set. Dereck
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 04 January 2017 23:18:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		I didn't pay that much for it Dereck, but unfortunately for me the taxman is calling (or will be calling) - the package has been held by customs.
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5HorizonsRR		#26 Posted : 05 January 2017 02:08:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 2,973 Location: CA, USA		one of my all time favorite sets! nice train :)
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dominator		#27 Posted : 05 January 2017 09:35:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/01/2015(UTC) Posts: 1,201 Location: Kerikeri		Oh well BD. Only $15.00 for every $100.00 of total value. Just think what you could have bought [ other than Marklin ] for $1100.00 in 2000. Dereck
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Dave Banks		#28 Posted : 05 January 2017 10:08:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Which set does this loco #13304 come from?
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Bigdaddynz		#29 Posted : 05 January 2017 11:45:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Probably the set we are talking about - 26730 / 28730. The loco in this set is supposed to be slightly weathered - is there any weathering on yours? See Helmutt Kern's site and look for the 13304 road number. http://www.bahn.hfkern.de/Maerklin/CH_ce68.html Some more info and pictures from Svein's (God Bless him!) website. http://www.saebonet.com/...g/Sites/CH/26730_set.htm
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aos		#30 Posted : 05 January 2017 20:23:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 526 Location: Livingston, Scotland		Hi Dave, lovely looking loco! By the way, is it my imagination, is the catenary in the rear of the photo upside down. The shape of the wiring seems to point downwards as it heads to the ends. Alan
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Bigdaddynz		#31 Posted : 05 January 2017 20:50:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: aos .....is the catenary in the rear of the photo upside down. The shape of the wiring seems to point downwards as it heads to the ends. That's what I thought when I saw it.
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Dave Banks		#32 Posted : 05 January 2017 21:53:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/03/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,041 Location: Gold Coast, Australia.		Hi Dave & Alan, No weathering that I can see on this loco. It is in brand new condition & it came to me in a delta version. I converted it it digital hence my question about its origin & yes you are both right, the centenary section is upside down by the looks of things in that photo. That layout long gone since I started your 1971 layout David & yes it is still not anywhere near finished. DJI Phantom 3 advanced has taken up lot of my time lately.
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Bigdaddynz		#33 Posted : 17 January 2017 10:14:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Some pictures of the 28730 Swiss Crocodile set, and of the locomotive. I have removed the delta decoder and AC motor from the loco and have fitted DC motor parts and a Marklin mLD decoder that I had lying around. When I'm able to get one, I will fit a mSD3 sound decoder.
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oltrix		#34 Posted : 06 December 2017 00:05:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Hi, Picking up my hobby again after 30 years inactivity I started of by buying some stuff on eBay. One thing i bought is the 28730 set, arriving tomorrow I hope. Now I have to say I’m a bit unsure about this Delta/Digital and analogue. Is there a difference between delta and digital? The 28730 is Delta, right? I plan to start up a railroad with the kids based on my old M rails, and then move on to bigger stuff for daddy. It makes most sense to ditch the old transformer and get a used digital one, but then I must convert the croc to be able to run it, right? Anybody have any ideas of how to do this? I’m technical and proficient with simple soldering etc. It’s just that I have not dealt with these things since I was a kid, and at that time all was analogue.
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Bigdaddynz		#35 Posted : 06 December 2017 00:44:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,763 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: oltrix Now I have to say I’m a bit unsure about this Delta/Digital and analogue. Is there a difference between delta and digital? The 28730 is Delta, right? Delta and Digital are similar in that they can be controlled by the same controllers - MS1, MS2, CS1, CS2, CS3, etc. Delta decoders use the existing AC motor and there fore have poor slow speed running and no load control - i.e. loco will slow down going up hill and speed up going down hill. Delta decoders are limited to 16 addresses, whereas more modern digital decoders can use any of up to 254 addresses if you use the MM2 protocol, or many thousands of addresses if you use either DCC or mFX protocols. Digital decoders require the motor to be converted to DC with the addition of a permanent magnet and 5 pole armature. You get the benefits of good slow speed running, load control and various other functions - lights, telex couplers, etc. A sound decoder will also give you loco sounds. Yes, 28730 is the Delta version. As a minimum to convert you Crocodile to Digital running you will need 60941 DCM Motor Conversion Kit Either a Märklin mLD3 decoder or a Märklin mSD3 Sound decoder. You could if you wish substitute an ESU Lokpilot 4 or ESU Loksound 4 for the Märklin decoders.
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Eurobahnfan		#36 Posted : 06 December 2017 01:10:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 431 Location: Stockton, CA		Welcome back to a great hobby! (Berlin was where I returned to the hobby after a near 20-year absence.) Without going into too much detail, you can operate both Delta and Digital locomotives with a Mobile Station, Central Station, or even with an analog transformer -- although operating in analog mode you will not be able to experience all of the digital functions. If you do choose to operate in analog mode, I'd strongly suggest you purchase newer transformers as the older "blue boxes" can harm newer components. There are many fellow enthusiasts here on the Users forum that can provide a wealth of information to make your return to the hobby smooth and enjoyable. Viel Spass!!!
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oltrix		#37 Posted : 06 December 2017 08:57:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Thanks guys, That made it a bit clearer. So ill initially just run the croc as is, and see how it works. I have two more analog locs that need digitalisation so ill start with them, but I realise its a lot of reading to be done, its not as simple as it was when I was a kid. I just couldn't help myself when I found the croc on eBay for a decent price and then a Swedish RC4 as well, both were in my dreams as a poor teenager... Now I just have to sort them out so I can run them digital. Yes, Berlin is a good place to be for this Hobby, I'm Swedish myself but stuck here for quite a while now.
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Ross		#38 Posted : 06 December 2017 10:17:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 945 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hello oltrix, You may like to read this article for some ideas on how to convert the croc to run well on digital. Croc conversion article Link corrected 01-01-2025 PS. Do you have a name? Originally Posted by: oltrix Thanks guys, That made it a bit clearer. So ill initially just run the croc as is, and see how it works. I have two more analog locs that need digitalisation so ill start with them, but I realise its a lot of reading to be done, its not as simple as it was when I was a kid. I just couldn't help myself when I found the croc on eBay for a decent price and then a Swedish RC4 as well, both were in my dreams as a poor teenager... Now I just have to sort them out so I can run them digital. Yes, Berlin is a good place to be for this Hobby, I'm Swedish myself but stuck here for quite a while now. Edited by user 01 January 2025 05:09:26(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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oltrix		#39 Posted : 06 December 2017 10:34:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Originally Posted by: Ross PS. Do you have a name? Of course, how rude fo me. Im Carl, a Swede living in berlin, mid 40's, Airline pilot by day, have two 8 year old kids that recently picked up on my old hobby. finally I have a reason to take it up as well, it has been in the back of my mind for all these years.
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Ross		#40 Posted : 06 December 2017 20:39:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 945 Location: Sydney, NSW		Hi Carl, Thanks for the name update. I hope you find the article useful.
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oltrix		#41 Posted : 07 December 2017 09:26:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Originally Posted by: Ross Hi Carl, Thanks for the name update. I hope you find the article useful. Thanks, yes very useful. right now the whole digital conversion is a bit blurry, but im reading up on it, I have a few locs that I can try on first before I take on the mighty croc. Carl
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oltrix		#42 Posted : 14 December 2017 13:14:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Hi again, So I finally got some of my tracks down from Sweden and I had the chance to try out the croc. And that was a disappointment, it is stone dead, nothing happens at all. I tried with analog controller, the "new" blue plastic one. It works with my old trains. I have taken care not to switch direction with the croc as I understand that thats whats kills the decoder. But it was dead from the start, no sign of life at all. I have no manual for the croc but it is the 13304 delta out of 28730. Do I have to change anything to run it analog? Better ask before I start bugging the seller...
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H0		#43 Posted : 14 December 2017 13:44:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,432 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: oltrix I have no manual for the croc but it is the 13304 delta out of 28730. Do I have to change anything to run it analog? Better ask before I start bugging the seller... The four DIP switches on the decoder must be in the OFF position for analogue operation. Only early and late Delta decoders have automatic system detection, the in-betweens require manual configuration for analogue or digital. Blue transformers with plastic housing and 230 V rating should not be harmful to any decoders. And Delta decoders should be able to withstand the reversing voltage of blue transformers, even those rated for 220 V. But better safe than sorry. Even if the loco suffers from hardened oil syndrome (HSO) there should be lights and humming sounds from the motor.
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oltrix		#44 Posted : 14 December 2017 14:07:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2017(UTC) Posts: 9 Location: Berlin, Berlin		Originally Posted by: H0 The four DIP switches on the decoder must be in the OFF position for analogue operation. Only early and late Delta decoders have automatic system detection, the in-betweens require manual configuration for analogue or digital. Blue transformers with plastic housing and 230 V rating should not be harmful to any decoders. And Delta decoders should be able to withstand the reversing voltage of blue transformers, even those rated for 220 V. But better safe than sorry. Even if the loco suffers from hardened oil syndrome (HSO) there should be lights and humming sounds from the motor. Thanks! Got it now, it works! And for the HSO, I realise that I have four locos that need some TLC... but thats a different story! Thanks anyway for the quick reply!
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