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tekin65		#1 Posted : 05 November 2009 09:57:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Hi, Could somebody shed some light on Re4/4 II's having one and two pantographs; what was the original setting, when they are changed, why? As always, thanks for the info ... Cem.
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TimR		#2 Posted : 05 November 2009 13:30:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		The Re4/4 II with single double arm pantos are the first six prototypes (11101-11106) and the first serries (of production) Re 4/4 II (nr 11107-11155). Got these from German wiki sometime ago.. I think all the Roco models are from the first serries. Marklin models with two single arm pantographs are from the later 6 production batches of the second serries (built starts in 1966).
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tekin65		#3 Posted : 05 November 2009 13:32:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 11/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,151 Location: istanbul,		Hi Tim, Thanks for clearing this for me. Cem.
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mike c		#4 Posted : 05 November 2009 23:23:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,244 Location: Montreal, QC		The first series of Re 4/4II had one pantograph. Initially, the prototypes (11101-11106) and the rest (11107-11155) and the SOB Re 4/4 41 had the traditional scissors type pantograph. In preparation for the second series, a few of the first series were equipped with a modern single arms pantograph. Over the years, additional locomotives were equipped with the new single arm pantographs instead of the original scissors one. The design changes for the second and subsequent series of Re 4/4 locomotives incorporated two of the modern single arm pantographs on each lok. These Re 4/4s were those numbered 11156-11349 and 11371-11397. This also applies to Re 4/4III 11351-11370 and to the Re 4/4 locomotives of the MThB (Re 4/4II 21) and the EBT-VHB-SMB (RM now Crossrail Re 4/4III 111-115). The Roco and Lima/Rivarossi models have been from the first series. The Maerklin, Hag (New Generation) and Fleischmann models have been of the later series. A full list of the SBB Re 4/4s including the panto type can be found here: http://www.juergs.ch/bahn/vorbild/sbb/re420.html If you click on the lok number, photos will be displayed Translation of Notes: E= Single Arm Pantograph K= Air conditioning U= Converted to Re 421 V= Sold to BLS Regards Mike C

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TimR		#5 Posted : 05 November 2009 23:44:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Always appreciated your excellent knowledge on these Swiss subjects, Mike... Interesting to note that these days most of the older Re 4/4 IIs; notably also all the first serries with single pantos - except those sold to other railways, are in operation with the passenger division. While the Cargo division got all of the newer models particularly the last few batches. Looks to be a clear indication that the Cargo division want to keep using the Re4/4 II for much longer still, as opposed to the passenger division - which will likely to replace them with new trainsets in the near future as they are retired from service.
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mike c		#6 Posted : 06 November 2009 20:01:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 8,244 Location: Montreal, QC		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TimR <br />Always appreciated your excellent knowledge on these Swiss subjects, Mike... Interesting to note that these days most of the older Re 4/4 IIs; notably also all the first serries with single pantos - except those sold to other railways, are in operation with the passenger division. While the Cargo division got all of the newer models particularly the last few batches. Looks to be a clear indication that the Cargo division want to keep using the Re4/4 II for much longer still, as opposed to the passenger division - which will likely to replace them with new trainsets in the near future as they are retired from service. I don't know how the exact division of the Re 4/4II fleet between the passenger and cargo divisions was determined. It may have had something to do with where the loks were stationed. The majority if not all of the first series were based in Zuerich and may have been assigned to the passenger division as a result. I know that the most recent loks (11371-11397) were the ones selected to be adapted for use in Germany by SBB Cargo as Re 421. The Re 4/4III were a given for SBBC. There is no explanation for why other ones went to Cargo or to Passenger divisions. I will try to get more info to see if there was indeed a plan or a pattern. Regards Mike C

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