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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#1 Posted : 29 September 2009 07:50:06(UTC)
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Eurobahnfan

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Hi everybody...

Just opened a long packed away (ten years) E-60 (37561) and -- surprise -- it doesn't move when power is applied. I had a similar experience with a Kl 96 not long ago, but after a while and a little gentle nudging, it came to life.

The E-60 seems to be getting power and, with the body shell removed, I can feel the armature spin, but no power is transferred to the gears and wheels. Any ideas? I figure it may just be dry, but I'm a little afraid to apply any more oil than is necessary. Also, being that it's a digital loco, I'm also a little timid to be messing around with the array of wiring in and around the motor.

Luckily, all of my other long packed away locos are running fine. Thanks for any suggestions,

Steve
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Offline TimR  
#2 Posted : 29 September 2009 08:58:46(UTC)
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Seems like the problem is with the wiring..

First check that none of the wires are not been tightly 'squeezed in' against anything inside the lok.

Lok with dry gears and wheels should still move, but will be jerky and noisy...
Now collecting C-Sine models.
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Offline Brakepad  
#3 Posted : 29 September 2009 09:17:16(UTC)
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If you feel the armature spinning, then the problem can not be the wiring, but should be mechanical. Can you turn the wheels by hand?

I had a similar experience with a Primex 3187 lok. I purchased it off eBay and when it arrived it turned to have been unpacked and unused (for maybe 15-17 years). However, the motor was completely locked.

The grease in the intermediate sprockets had dried and had become so sticky that the whole thing was completely seized. I was unable to turn them by hand and I was reluctant to apply more force as the wheels could loose the timing.

Finally I fully dissassembled it (including the wheels), removed the old grease and oiled it again. It become what it really was, a new loco.

I'd suggest to apply some cleaning fluid (such as "brake cleaner") and slightly oil it. Not only the motor bearings, but also the wheel&intermediate gears' axles. It worked for me.
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
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Offline john black  
#4 Posted : 29 September 2009 12:14:42(UTC)
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Hi Steve - Juha is right.

In such case most of the time the rotor is welded shut in its bearings by "M's Wonder Grease" [xx(]
Disassemble motor, with two fingers slowly turn rotor free, clean & oil all bearings thoroughly Smile[:p]
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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#5 Posted : 30 September 2009 01:23:04(UTC)
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Hi guys... thanks for the information. I'll have a look at it again when I get home this evening and let you know how it all turns out. Take care,

Steve
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Offline Davy  
#6 Posted : 30 September 2009 13:42:01(UTC)
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If you don't let drive your trains every three years a couple of minuts. You will get problems. And I have seen this problem more then enough also by trains from Roco and Fleischmann.

M-track with a CS2.
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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2009 20:05:16(UTC)
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Well, I've disassembeld the motor and still no luck. It would appear the gears are sealed shut. I've placed a few drops of oil and am letting it penetrate -- hopefully -- for now. I'll try it again later after work. It's a shame, actually... this little guy really ran well prior to moving back the states. Still, getting to know the insides of these models is an education in itself. (At least it's an open frame motor... kind of like my older Lionel -- only smaller!)

Steve
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Offline john black  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2009 20:15:42(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Eurobahnfan
<br />Well, I've disassembeld the motor and still no luck.
It would appear the gears are sealed shut.

OK, Steve - ready for part II confusedbiggrin

We can see "M's Wonder Grease" [xx(][xx(][xx(] not only affected the rotor but also the gears.
Rather common, alas. Had to break free [|)] dozens of my brand new M locos in the past ...

Give the transmission gears a fat dose of WD-40 oil for a few hours. Will do the job biggrin[}:)]
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AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline john black  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2009 20:31:08(UTC)
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BTW - when gears are free do not run her on your layout the very first time !!! [}:)]
After removing excessive oil, goo and debris give her a 30 min test-run on a lose circle.
Otherwise you'd get a perfectly-well greased layout ... biggrinbiggrinbiggrinwink
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline john black  
#10 Posted : 30 September 2009 20:36:07(UTC)
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Ya know those Beetle Bailey cartoons from Camp Swampy where
Sgt Orville Snorkel tries to catch a greased Beetle confusedbiggrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#11 Posted : 30 September 2009 21:36:15(UTC)
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Hi John... Great minds think alike!! I tried the WD-40 and am letting it sit while I'm at work: they don't call it "motion lotion" for nothing. wink Of course, clean up will require quite a bit of cotton swabs and patience. (At least I didn't work on it using the dining room table for a change... my wife might have issues with that. biggrin)

I'll keep you updated...

Steve
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Offline john black  
#12 Posted : 30 September 2009 23:04:26(UTC)
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Hi Steve - so we do ... Smile[^]

Re our dining room tables [xx(] ... you and me surely know how to live longer biggrin[}:)]
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Offline Eurobahnfan  
#13 Posted : 01 October 2009 04:08:56(UTC)
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Hi John -- Got 'er done!!! Mopped up most of the WD-40 residuals and am putting it through the paces on a separate loop of track. The smell of that WD-40 and ozone reminds me of Christmas and Lionel... speaking of which, it's time to look at cleaning those up as well. Thanks for the helpful hints,

Steve
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Offline john black  
#14 Posted : 01 October 2009 04:11:33(UTC)
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Well done, Steve - congratulations !!! Smile[:p] Have fun ... biggrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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