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Offline oz_train  
#1 Posted : 18 May 2004 03:55:35(UTC)
oz_train

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Location: Newcastle, NSW, Australia
Hi all,
After a 3 week wait, I finally got my BR18.4 (starter set 29857). [:p] Imagine my dismay when my first attempt at driving the lok ended when it moved about 1cm, then sat there with motor humming[:(]. Reverse direction, and it moved about 1cm, and again sat there with motor humming! My first reaction was that something was binding in the wheel linkages, but I couldn't find any fault. The binding was "tight", but not "rock solid".
I was sure that it wasn't the motor, since 1cm of movement corresponds to several turns of the armature. But I had to start somewhere, so I removed the armature. No change: I could only rotate the wheels through 10deg or so, and they would bind tight. Next, I removed all the linkages: still no improvement. So the problem was in the driven axle, or the drive gears! I rocked the driven axle back and forth many times, hoping that it would eventually come free. No luck.

After maybe 30min of patient back and forth rocking of the driven wheel, with time spent looking, thinking, cussing[xx(], I finally "lost my cool", and pushed the driven wheel a little harder than I probably should have[:0]. Still, it did the trick, and the wheels could be driven through full rotations, with only slight binding at the problem spot. Still, some progress! I thought that a tiny piece of foam packing may have become stuck between a couple of gears, as there were many small (<1mm diam) balls of foam covering other parts of the starter set (probably rubbed off the foam packing in transit). I looked hard, but couldn't see anything like it. The frequency of the binding seemed to correspond with the second gear from the axle, so I looked very carefully at that spot, but nothing untoward could be seen.
Still, I reassembled the lok, and gave it a test run. It ran OK, but there was still evidence of binding, but I think it is getting better with every turn of the wheels. This supports the "foam in the gears" theory. I'll try again tonight, to see if it gets even better.

I would, however, like to dismantle the drive gears, and thoroughly inspect them (looking for the elusive "piece of foam").. I know, WARRANTY you are all saying, but I don't want to wait, and I consider myself capable of the job, with a bit of advice from my learned colleagues[:I]... so to a question: it looks to me as though the stub axles on which the gears run are a press-fit into the body of the lok... if this is so, then I expect that it is a specialist job to dismantle and reassemble the "geartrain"? Has anybody done this? Any general tips for disassembling a geartrain? I'd really like to get to the bottom of the "binding geartrain", because somehow, it has taken the gloss off running the lok.[V]

Thanks for any help/moral support...

John
PS my first problem with any M product...
Offline franciscohg  
#2 Posted : 18 May 2004 04:44:23(UTC)
franciscohg

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Hi John, not that difficult to disassemble a geartrain, just need some "soft" tools, like wooden benchwork and rubber cover for the snaptools.
However your problem sounds like the classic stiffen oil of locos that haven't run for quite a time.
So i think the first thing you have to do is to clean the axles very well with some solvent, dry it well and next apply a drop of oil on every one, with that it almost certain that your loco will run like heaven
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Offline oz_train  
#3 Posted : 18 May 2004 05:27:30(UTC)
oz_train

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Hi Francisco,
One of my first thoughts on seeing the problem was "stiffened oil" (thanks to previous threads in this wonderful forumSmile), but somehow it just didn't "feel right". When I finally freed up the drivetrain, there seemed to be a definite tight <u>point</u> in the rotation, and not a general continuous tightness. Perhaps some oil hardened on the gear teeth, rather than on the shafts? That could explain the way it felt. I did lubricate the gears early on with Ma oil (sparinglywink), but that didn't seem to make a difference. I didn't clean first with solvent, though - I'll try that tonight. I had intended to dismantle the gears first, so that I could <u>thoroughly</u> clean them, but maybe it won't be necessary...
Thanks so much for the reply!Smile

regards,
John
Offline David Dewar  
#4 Posted : 18 May 2004 18:25:04(UTC)
David Dewar

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Hi John. Most dealers I know test locos before despatch so it may be worthwhile asking them if this was done in which case part of the packing may be the problem. At the end of the day a new loco should be perfect and I feel you should send it back to be replaced by another set. It is very annoying to wait but could be orth it to get a new loco.
David
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Offline john black  
#5 Posted : 18 May 2004 21:10:58(UTC)
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John:

Here comes the next moral support SmileSmileSmile
Foam balls in M locos confusedconfusedconfused We're talking about M quality - not a junky Roco ...

Give 'em hell biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Regards
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Offline oz_train  
#6 Posted : 19 May 2004 02:45:01(UTC)
oz_train

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Hi all,
thanks for the feedback! The good news is that a thorough clean of the gears with solvent, and a light re-oil fixed the binding drive problembiggrin. I'll never know whether it was the piece of foam or the "stiffened oil" which caused my problem, but at least it now runs "like a dream"[:p].
Finally I get to admire all those "separately applied details" without being distracted by the binding geartrain!biggrin

(I probably shouldn't have had to "service" a new lok to make it work, and probably should have sent it back - but at least now I have a running lok, I've learned a bit more, and I've saved a possible battle with a service department!wink)


regards,
John.
Offline franciscohg  
#7 Posted : 19 May 2004 04:46:14(UTC)
franciscohg

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Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But about servicing new loks, we have to consider that perhaps if you buy it factory new you might have not troubles at all, but since they are not too cheap, they stay with dealers some time, allowing oil to stiffen.
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
Offline usbeauty  
#8 Posted : 19 May 2004 05:31:46(UTC)
usbeauty


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Good point, franciscohq, but I thought they were using different oil these days that doesn't bind so easily?

Bruce
Modeling the Bruxelles - Nord to Knokke - Heist line on my layout, complete with pommes frites stand (frituur). (Epoch IV, digital and analog)
Offline franciscohg  
#9 Posted : 19 May 2004 05:55:28(UTC)
franciscohg

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Absolutely agreed Bruce, i think Marklin actual oil must be some prehistoric formula, i´m not a Chemistrian but i think there must be some superior synthetic compound in the XXIst century....
UserPostedImage German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL
Offline john black  
#10 Posted : 02 August 2004 22:18:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by oz_train
<br />Hi all,
I finally got my BR18.4 (starter set 29857)[:p] ...that a tiny piece of foam packing may have become stuck between a couple of gears, as there were many small (&lt;1mm diam) balls of foam covering other parts of the starter set


Hi John, all: Just received mine. You're right John, it's a beautyful set and I'm too very, very happy with it [:p][:p][:p]
Learning from you, John (many thanks Smile!!! for that earlier report) so I could avoid trouble in asking dealer to check it before shipping (by the way, loco was neatly packed in cloth and plastic). Everything runs just fine, thanks again for posting that one !!!

For me it was a great deal. For that low price (€ 299.- only!!!) I got the classic CU6021, a juicy 60VA Transformer and one beautyful BR18 Steamer plus 3 Coaches - A REAL BARGAIN biggrin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That included track I don't really need but will be great for my grandson's future layout. Still greater since it was free ... biggrin

I just love M's products ...
John

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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