Now when ESU has Ecos 50200 with M4 auto-repeat...i must say this will become more fun to play instead of Marklins CS2 60214.

So i have decides to buy this one and using K-tracks,by using both Marklins mfx locomotivs and MM locomotivs with M4 decoder from ESU.

M4 decoder from ESU has in both of sound and without sound too.
This will been fun to enjoyment of this.

I shall just only building up an provisional layout,to play when i feel free for it!

I have decided to buy a Ecos 50200 also but what is auto repeat.

Hello,

maybe on the new EcoS they added a CD player with autorepeat function

rgds

Stephan

I think you mean 'reports', Goofy.

John, you must know by now that if you are a member of this forum you are only allowed to buy Marklin controllers. Zimo, ESU, IB, etc are outlawed by the order of you know who.....

Well of course Tim, you could get around this by buying a CS1 Reloaded. Is it Marklin or is it ESU? The resulting paradox could be universe destroying.

Silly me [:I]
Thanks!

Goofy,

you are talking about a central which is not on the market and nobody has tested it. How can you say that it is smarter than something else? Have you tested them both?

If the new EcoS is what it looks like, it will be a old EcoS with colour screen. Nothing more an nothing less. And with all it's weaknesses, for example the impossibility to switch from automatic to manual itinerary control by clicking on one button. You have to delete the S88 number from each itinerary manually, very annoying. Or you cannot choose if a itinerary has to be set if S88 is open or closed, The M4 reports will be very slow dued to poor CPU performance, ecc ecc.

I hope for you that the new EcoS will be improved, but we can say it only once it is out of the marked. Now we can only speculate and as usual speculation are useless.



rgds

Stephan

mmervine from USA has now V.3.0.0 from ESU and are saying:"It works very well."
You can see after that in another topic:Digital Command Stations Comparison Sheet
I did not wrote smarter than something else...i did wrote smarter and cheaper in case about the prices of digitalsystem!

Thanks for the information about the old Ecos...!
But the new one is not the same.
The most important,is that you did gave me an warning about Ecos!
This makes me suspicious to get an Ecos!!!

Hi John. Just wondering what you dont like about the CS2. Unlike Goofy I am sure you have a reason other than it is a Marklin item.
I have had my CS2 for months now and have found it very good. I did have a look at other controllers but could not find anything with a large colour screen and that appeared to accept all the Marklin add ons etc.
What do you like yourself.


davemr

Have you heard about to upgrade system...???
They can presentation same kind of hardware,but this hardware is more powerful by upgrade.Or software too.
And besides...you don´t have latest version 3.0.0...?
That is not the same as the old Ecos with weaker version!!!
And besides the new Ecos 50200 has now M4 with "automatischer anmeldung",which means automatic login.


[:(!]

As I understand, M4 is just ESU's name for MFX, but I still haven't understood what "auto-repeat" is. Does this mean the same as "Auto-registration"?

I'm still at a cross road.
There is nothing particular I don't like about the CS 1 or CS 2, ESU or Zimo.
I'm just waiting for the right one to come out.

I'm looking at a gadget, that is mobile, does'nt have 1000 function buttons and is relatively cheap.
My concern is the next generation of decoders and train control.
By jumping in and getting a central control, am I paying more money in future for a version which is not update friendly.
My 6020 (6021) is still working Ok after 25 years and I had a about 30 or so exchanges for mobile units.
I'm not into mfx decoders or mfx sound decoders.
I've sold a Class 18 with a crappy sound module, but should of kept the loco and sold the limited sound decoder.
I'm also waiting for Märklin's future, sine motors and general outcomes regarding their electronic technology.
I'm not into their passenger cars, decoders, S 88, signals or signal breaking delays because of the Märklin price tag.
the c-track I've got is crap.breaking into small pieces when trying to remove it.
I've been buying Märklin for over 40 years and I have been a bit cautios over the last 10 years.
I don't have anything particular against the CS's but feel the time it has taken, considering the circumstances and legal matters which has plaqued the new digital system for numerous years now,
ESU had been the original genius to generate such a system.
Looking at the capacities both brands have now leveled with zimo to come up with an 8amp unit.
Zimo has develeoped their units in drips and draps and have gone forwards year by year, deleting previous releases or making them useless with newer gadgets.
Another austrian brand has dissapeared from the market scene.

We've had gadgets from Uhlenbrook giving us more freedom with Märklin restricted products.
We have had similar gadgets from ESU to accompany the 6021 unit.

There are other companies which are willing to open up their technology, to people like us, e.g. Lokprogrammers.

ESU has its floors or restrictions,
having a lokpilot 2, you haven't got a pulse setting for an electrical uncoupling device.
Until the time comes and the dust has settled, in my mind, any CS is out of bounce at the moment,

regards.,
John

Hello Goofy,

no, never heard about how to make hardware more powerful without changing it. If a processor has 33Mhz (as an example)it will have 33Mhz for ever. You cannot change his speed (ok, overclocking it, but it is risky and has heat problems). Following the ESU Datasheet there will be NO change in hardware performance between old and new EcoS.

Than next point-> if you put new powerful software by upgrade on a old hardware, this will run slowly.
You can see it like this: if you install Windows Vista on a PC with 33 Mhz CPU anf 4 Mb RAM or on a Intel Quad Core i7 CPU with 6 Gb RAM, where do you think it will run better?? A good software is worth nothing if the hardware is not powerful.

But these are only speculations. Let's wait for the first test of the new EcoS and then we will know better. The discussion now it is only waste of time and Web space


kind regards

Stephan

Same as Marklins CS2!
Yep...that´s right!