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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#1 Posted : 05 September 2009 03:54:12(UTC)
Jeremy Palmer

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Many apologies for two posts!!

When I had my tablebahn layout the sound of the trains running on the
wooden table top sounded, to my ears, exactly like they do when heard
in real life. To me the sound of the wheels on the tracks is a huge
part of my enjoyment of the trains. I hear the same sounds in John's
videos. In my instance I wondered whether there was some additional
help, soundwise, from the fact that the track was laid down and not
attached to table top in any way. Try explaining screw holes to FD.
What surface do you use to lay your tracks on? Cork on top of wood,
rubber on top of wood etc?

Many many thanks,

Jeremy.
Jeremy.

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Offline nevw  
#2 Posted : 05 September 2009 04:47:40(UTC)
nevw

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Jeremy,
I use 3mm Cork on top of 12mm Plywood.
Nev
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Offline sudibarba  
#3 Posted : 05 September 2009 05:31:35(UTC)
sudibarba

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Posts: 880
Location: Augusta, GA USA
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />Jeremy,
I use 3mm Cork on top of 12mm Plywood.
Nev



Me too. I buy the cork in rolls (2 ft X 4 Ft) and slit them with a razor knife as required. A lot cheaper than buying from a train supply. I get mine at Staples a office supply house.
Eric
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 05 September 2009 05:35:53(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

New Zealand   
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Posts: 18,723
Location: New Zealand
Jeremy see my post in the 'working with m-track' thread. The 4.5mm cork I use is from cheap flooring tiles purchased from a hardware store and cut into strips.

The layout baseboard is on 9mm MDF on a 100mm x 25mm pine timber frame.
Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 05 September 2009 08:03:11(UTC)
river6109

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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC)
Posts: 14,779
Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Jeremy Palmer
<br />
When I had my tablebahn layout the sound of the trains running on the
wooden table top sounded, to my ears, exactly like they do when heard
in real life. To me the sound of the wheels on the tracks is a huge
part of my enjoyment of the trains. I hear the same sounds in John's
videos. In my instance I wondered whether there was some additional
help, soundwise, from the fact that the track was laid down and not
attached to table top in any way. Try explaining screw holes to FD.
What surface do you use to lay your tracks on? Cork on top of wood,
rubber on top of wood etc?

Many many thanks,

Jeremy.


Jeremy,
My k-tracks are layed straight onto "chipboard" &gt; (biggest mistake), glued down with a hotglue gun at various points.
by drawing a continous line onto your board where your track should lay you slightly pick up one side of the track and put a small dot of hot glue down. continue it all along and than start on the other side making sure your straight line is straigt (use a long ruler, and place it outside the sleepers).
When you come across a turnout use the straight side and again put your ruler along the side of it.

Hot glue can be cleanly removed at any time, except cork.

I do like the sound of the carriages as you've mentioned like real life train sounds.

With the ballast (real iron ore rock + 50% woodglue + 50% water) it actually dampened the accustic.

So anyone using cork as an underlay (many do), I've decided against it.
Because of the size of my layout it would of been double work to lay cork aswell.
I'm very pleased with the outcome.
I'm more concerned about the sound of steamlocos, which dwindles into one sound.
Going back to your table top or my layout, this is exactly what I like about my layout, the sound coming from the tracks, cork is being used as rocks, moss being used as vegetation, real soil is being used as a foundation
Simple but very effective.


Chipboard: it does absorb moisture, to obtain strenght, the thickness interferes with underfloor solenoids.
after years, it does sag.
My chipboards getting on to 25 years and since than I've supported the boards with tubing.
Plywood would be my suggestion.

Fortunately or unfortunately, my layout plan was done "hands on".
All my calculation have been done on the board, e.g. radiius, curves, circles, straight, distances between tracks etc. etc.
for wide curves I used the 2274 track (does'nt form a true 1/2 circle) and used this 1/2 circle as a guideline for my outside flexitracks.
When using ballast with woodglue+water, stay away from track joints (early k-track joints made of brass-copper ?), as in later years the joints will corrode and contact could be lost.
We've drowned the ballast with the glue solution, this could also been a reason for this to happen.

regards.,
John

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Offline dalym001  
#6 Posted : 09 September 2009 16:24:00(UTC)
dalym001


Joined: 22/05/2008(UTC)
Posts: 67
Location: London,
I made the mistake of using only 6mm plywood - next time I will use at least 9mm or probably 12mm - 6mm plywood sags too and needs quite a lot of support and thus more work. However, I like the sound of the trains running on my C-track on plywood -really not as loud as I was led to believe. I do use cork as a sound damper in my hidden station though so that trains that are "not there" (not visible) are also not heard. I found 1mm or 2mm cork sheets were sufficient for damping and fairly cheap and easy to work with (especially when cutting them) for that.
Offline Peterail  
#7 Posted : 09 September 2009 18:47:23(UTC)
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Plywood with a foam covering from Woodland Senics.

Peter
Offline drstapes  
#8 Posted : 29 September 2009 22:16:09(UTC)
drstapes

United Kingdom   
Joined: 23/08/2004(UTC)
Posts: 764
Location: Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk
My m track layout as standard mdf board covered with a green fabric offcut. I love the sounds of the trains
Regards

Geoff (UK)

marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
Offline Ian555  
#9 Posted : 29 September 2009 23:12:30(UTC)
Ian555

Scotland   
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC)
Posts: 20,265
Location: Scotland
Hi all
I'm with Geoff on this one,Can't beat the sound of Loco's running
on M track screwed down onto 12mm plywood,using75mmX45mm framework.
Ian
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