Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Hi all, just purchased a 6021 controller and 6002- 52VA transformer cheap. Just wondering, as I have also a mobile station, can these be interconnected and used simultaneously? Many thanks. |
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Joined: 31/10/2008(UTC) Views messages in topic : 45 Location: ,
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bahn-an-arama <br />Hi all, just purchased a 6021 controller and 6002- 52VA transformer cheap. Just wondering, as I have also a mobile station, can these be interconnected and used simultaneously? Many thanks.
hello, I think: Uhlenbrock Art.-Nr. 63810 mobile station Adapter best regards, Patrick LokSound Benelux + France
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Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
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The 63810 Mobile Station adapter will provide attachment to a Loconet bus. One 63810 is needed for each Mobile Station (requires power, uses the same power brick that cam with the MS) Many 63810 can be used on the same loconet provided they are configured with a unique address
In order to utilise a 6021, it must also be connected to the loconet. Uhlenbrock offer their 63820 "6021-Infrared and LocoNet adapter"
Summary - Minimim requirement: 1 x 63810 (for 1 MS) PLUS 1 x 63820 Options: UHL 64820 is a package of 63810 + and IRIS (Infrared remote)
Considerations: The above will work "out of the box", however to utilise more than one MS , multiple 63810s are required and the address CV must be configured to be unique. In order to do this, having a friend with an Intellibox will help. Likewise , The 63810 has a feature where any loco address can be seconded to switch accessories (using the left function buttons) to set this up you need to program the CVs
Limitation. The MS is not able to "listen" to what goes on on the loconet and will not show/display the speed of a loco that has been set by another throttle
Added Value, Once you have established the loconet infrastructure , a large number of other useful options open up to you. - LISSY - TrackControl devices - PC monitoring of 6021 Loco and accessory activity (something that cannot be done with the 605x) - ..... |
Peter
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Having used Clapcott's 63810/63820 devices, I can confirm they enable the MS to work very well with the 6021 (given the limitations Clapcott mentions).
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Thanks for the comments and suggestions. You don't think there is a cheaper way of doing it? |
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Would it better to sell the Mobile Controller then?? |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Probably Lutz's suggestion would be way more expensive than the first one. As to whether you should sell the MS, that is dependant on what you are trying to achieve.
The other option is to wait for the release of the MS2, whenever that is, as you can control solenoid devices with it.
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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As it is only a 1,2 Amp Mobile station with an 18va power supply, I've found by using the 6021 with the 52VA transformer, I'm achieving more consistant current to the track and the locos seem to run better if not smoother, i.e 2.5 Amp with the 6021. |
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Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,
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I'd stick with the 6021, maybe add a 6040 keyboard for controlling solenoids. I have seen far less hassle caused by the old digital controllers than people have with the new CS/MS units, and they're cheaper too.
My MS died for no apparent reason after about 18 months. One minute it worked, turned the power back on about an hour later and nothing. I replaced it with a 6022 and 6035, given that most of my locos only have headlights the lack of functions and using Motorola I is not a problem. If I see a 6036 for sensible money I'll gain the ability to use my 49960 Messwagen fully (that didn't work with the MS anyway). |
Matt from Wales.
When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,878 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt <br />I'd stick with the 6021, maybe add a 6040 keyboard for controlling solenoids. I have seen far less hassle caused by the old digital controllers than people have with the new CS/MS units, and they're cheaper too.
My MS died for no apparent reason after about 18 months. One minute it worked, turned the power back on about an hour later and nothing. I replaced it with a 6022 and 6035, given that most of my locos only have headlights the lack of functions and using Motorola I is not a problem. If I see a 6036 for sensible money I'll gain the ability to use my 49960 Messwagen fully (that didn't work with the MS anyway).
It surprises me, if any of the MS are still working. Part from the turning knob not registering the speed correctly or if you go into the menu, you can't scroll properly, or as you say it just stops working. From 20 or 30 mobile stations I had, the recent last one I used has a short inside. Märklin has sent me new ones with 1.9amp, sofar so good. regards., John |
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Yeah, I found it abit awkward to use in the sense of not a 100% peace of mind with it at any one time while the trains where running. I find the 6021 alot better and more controlled. |
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Joined: 12/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,448 Location: Wellington, New_Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Get one of those CS-I's that certain (Aussie) members on this forum always complain(ed) about; maybe they even pay you some bucks for releasing them from their "pain".
It would have to be more than a few bucks. If you already have a CS1 it can be utilised, however I would not recommend anyone buying one, with all the other (better) options available. |
Peter
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt <br />My MS died for no apparent reason after about 18 months. One minute it worked, turned the power back on about an hour later and nothing.
Same with one of mine, although it was 6 months between sessions. I think the booster section has died, as I can still use it as a slave controller with the CS1.
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Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,934 Location: Auckland,
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I think bigdaddynz hit the nail on the head in one of his earlier posts. In order for people to give better advice, could you please clarify what you are trying to achieve?
Cheers
Mike
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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My question was whether or not I could use the MS in conjuction with the 6021 controller, so I could decide if I should sell or keep the MS. As you have to buy another connector (40 Euro approx ) part and there is not a cheaper option. I am trying to achieve a better, less painful way of controlling my layout which I found with the MS. I now find the 6021 much, much better- so I have achieved an outcome of selling the MS!!!  |
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Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,
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A good move
Next things you might want to look for are a 6040 (the add-on control box for solenoid-operated accessories), and a 6036 (Control 80f - basically a slave 6021). That will give you a solid and very functional control system.
I think my entire MS died, as it wouldn't even show anything on the LCD. I don't feel any inclination to replace it as it will never be able to match the power, flexibility and reliability of the older hardware. To add point controls to an MS you have to buy a CS, which is a bit more expensive than a 6040! |
Matt from Wales.
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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Or, as another option to what Matt suggests (if you are looking to save cash), is to get a 6051 PC interface, connect that to your PC's serial interface (hopefully it has one), and use some of the free software packages to do the things Matt talks about - keyboard and additional throttles (which you can do). In addition, you can set up S88 decoders for track contact detection, set up routes, and even have the computer control your layout. Most of the throttles in these packages also give you access to at least 8 functions.
Free packages include LocComander (the developer - fvri - is a member of this forum), Rocrail and ControlGUI.
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Joined: 22/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 48 Location: ,
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My MS failed also and it went in the bin (best place for it) I went back to my 6021 which worked as usual without any problems. Since then i have had a CS1 and CS2 and both are great. For me the 6021 may be reliable but is is old and cant do much without a lot of add ons and even then there is no large colour screen etc. To get the most out of your layout I would buy the new CS. Ok it is expensive but so are most model railway items.
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Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,
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I've never seen the need for a big colour screen in a controller to be honest. The 6021-era units tell you what loco you've selected and what functions you have switched on, which is all you really need. If anything they're easier to use as you don't have as many menus to navigate, plus there's none of this business about registering non-mfx locos with the controller, you simply dial in the address and drive away.
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Matt from Wales.
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Joined: 09/02/2009(UTC) Posts: 983 Location: ,
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Hi Matt. Not sure about the 6021 being easier to use. With the CS all you do is touch the screen to set routes and change signals. Your layout is in front of you on the screen and all you do is touch a turnout etc to move it. Controling sounds is again very easy. Updates are via the web and work well. I still use my 6021 at times but it is slow and requires the added units like keyboard and memory etc. As the controller is no longer made I expect in a few years there will be no parts available etc although mine has never needed any. |
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Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand
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The main problem with the 6021, as Clapcott will tell you, is that the output transistors can fail. As they are fairly common Darlingtons, replacements are easy to come by.
The main reason why I brought a CS1 to replace my 6021, was because it had everything built into one box (well it did eventually) - controller, keyboard, interface, memory. I didn't have to go out and spend mega $$$$ for all those other items. Of course now with them being obsolete, they will be able to obtained off ebay fairly cheaply.
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Joined: 30/12/2007(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Melbourne, Victoria
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Quote:Originally posted by WelshMatt <br />A good move
Next things you might want to look for are a 6040 (the add-on control box for solenoid-operated accessories), and a 6036 (Control 80f - basically a slave 6021). That will give you a solid and very functional control system.
- MATT, if I bought a 6040, I would then need those decoders for the points and signals, correct?? At this stage I have 7072 control boxes that are yet to be fully hooked-up. My layout is also M-track. |
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Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bahn-an-arama [br- MATT, if I bought a 6040, I would then need those decoders for the points and signals, correct?? At this stage I have 7072 control boxes that are yet to be fully hooked-up. My layout is also M-track.
Yes you will need the required number of K83 (also known as 6083 or 60830 in the marklin catalogs). There are also many other manufacturers that sell them complete or as kits for you to assemble for less cost.
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