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Offline FMS  
#1 Posted : 11 July 2009 14:42:08(UTC)
FMS


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Hi!
I got two TM800.
A very nice one, I placed a few pictures at https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=13214

plus another one, without box and in very bad situation.
I'm trying to "recover" it and than I will try to put some pictures about it.
Regards
FMS
Offline WelshMatt  
#2 Posted : 11 July 2009 15:58:23(UTC)
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You might want to dig up my rebuild thread about a TM800 in similar condition. A few things I found:

Plain DIY paint stripper (Nitromors in my case) will strip the bodyshell up perfectly. Wear gloves and do not use it on plastic parts as it will melt them. I wouldn't go anywhere near it if it wasn't so good at stripping paint from metal parts. After that, primer, paint the red parts, mask them and then paint the black before a coat of varnish.

I didn't try to take the wheels off, as I was worried about both quartering and getting the gears properly aligned. Instead I unbolted the rods, cylinders, reverser and motor parts before cleaning the chassis with WD40 and an old toothbrush. This removed all the gunge, after which I repainted the wheels by hand. The cylinders got the same strip and respray as the bodyshell.

The rods may be tarnished. Very fine wire wool will clean them without doing any damage, just make sure that no dust from this gets into the mechanism as it will short the electrics.

The motor on mine was ok after I cleaned the commutator with a track cleaning block, rinsed the dust and oil off, and cleaned the graphite dust from the brushes.

Couplers can be straightened with smooth-jawed pliers, and cleaned with WD40 and an old toothbrush to remove any rust and restore the blackened appearance.

I'm not sure whether the couplers should have centring springs or not? Mine did not have any.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline TroyYang  
#3 Posted : 12 July 2009 01:37:17(UTC)
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Offline WelshMatt  
#4 Posted : 12 July 2009 02:03:45(UTC)
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Eckert Engineering (see ebay) also have some of the common spares, such as pickup sliders.

It does look as though there should be a centring spring on the TM800 couplers. I'll have to get some suitable material and make some for mine. They look to function in the same way as those on some modern locos.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline FMS  
#5 Posted : 13 July 2009 01:09:36(UTC)
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Ok!

Here we go:

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raw metal!!!

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Primar!

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Painted!
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I'm thinking about buying a set of wheels for her. I still need to paint the red areas.
Regards
FMS
Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 13 July 2009 01:43:47(UTC)
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Nice job!
Ray
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Offline FMS  
#7 Posted : 13 July 2009 02:20:17(UTC)
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Matt and Troy, thank You both!!Smile
Regards
FMS
Offline WelshMatt  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2009 02:46:51(UTC)
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It was in much better condition than mine to start with!

One word of advice, you may find that you wish you'd removed the buffers before painting. It will be difficult to paint the bufferbeams red without it hitting part of the buffers too. Plus on the original they were blackened metal rather than painted.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline FMS  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2009 03:26:36(UTC)
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Matt,

If You want to see my concept of good condition for this type of old machine, check the folowing link, and go for the last posts to see some photos.
https://www.marklin-user...ult.aspx?g=posts&t=13214

You would't believe what this machine (the one of the present topic) as been trough...to be honest, neither do I.
I bet that she wasn't very respected by the previous owners...
She doesn't need to speak to tell her history, the interior seems to be constructed with parts from other machines, the body has been cutted, one of the buffers is broken (the plate) and I guess that she was a ver handy hamer for somebody....

I'm just trying to save the remains and bring up again her lost proud.

I will pay attention to Your advices for the rest of the process.
Regards
FMS
Offline trainbuff  
#10 Posted : 13 July 2009 05:45:47(UTC)
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Nice paint job. Be sure to show it all finished.
Offline TroyYang  
#11 Posted : 13 July 2009 08:14:53(UTC)
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Your TM800 is looking good now. Smile

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by FMS
<br />Matt and Troy, thank You both!!Smile
Troy
San Francisco, USA
Marklin HO - all eras and everything.
Offline WelshMatt  
#12 Posted : 13 July 2009 14:16:55(UTC)
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You can see a before photo of mine there too. It had a lot of missing or damaged paint, the couplers were squashed and covered in rust. The entire loco was covered in dust and gunge and the mechanism was pretty much jammed solid with old grease. Even the coupling rods had some sort of tarnish on them, which thankfully came off relatively easily. The loco cost me around £10 on ebay.

It was worth every hour and every penny of the restoration to get it rumbling along with a lengthy train of Hobby wagons behind!

Annoyingly the same seller had an RSM800 in similar condition but I was outbid by a couple of pounds right at the end - I hope it got similar repair work. Had I bought it, there would have been a full strip and rebuild with digital conversion and 7207 pantographs to replace the mangled originals. Outwardly original but able to run on the latest layouts, like my TM800.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline FMS  
#13 Posted : 13 July 2009 22:54:01(UTC)
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Hi There!
I've got a situation here and don't know what to do. The machines works just fine, but when i assemble the body makes a short circuit?? I don't get it because all the wires look nice, but somethis is "touching" something...any clues?
Regards
FMS
Offline Brakepad  
#14 Posted : 14 July 2009 22:58:31(UTC)
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Hi Fred,

did you solve the short circuit issue?
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
Offline FMS  
#15 Posted : 15 July 2009 05:23:20(UTC)
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No...like I told before this machine went trough a lot and the seller wasn't completely honest with me...so the Automatic switching wasn't that good, the wiring wasn't the original, etc, etc
In my opinion, she served as organ donator and than she was assembled with old parts from other machines...

I need to get parts for her, or due to the fact that I've got another one, fully original working and with a box, I can tune this a litle...maybe a decoder and new engine...let's see. So I will have a colector item and a new conversion from it.

Regards
FMS
Offline WelshMatt  
#16 Posted : 15 July 2009 10:52:41(UTC)
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Check that the connection to the left-hand motor brush isn't shorting against the bodyshell. Mine was taking off at full speed for no apparent reason (or just not stopping when I turned the power off), eventually traced it to this area. A bit of insulating tape over the soldered joint and it was fixed.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline jvuye  
#17 Posted : 15 July 2009 12:58:36(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by FMS
<br />Hi There!
I've got a situation here and don't know what to do. The machines works just fine, but when i assemble the body makes a short circuit?? I don't get it because all the wires look nice, but somethis is "touching" something...any clues?


Hi Fred,
Re the short circuit: did you put the lamps back after you mounted the body back on the chassis?
It can happen that the contacts touch the body if no bulbs are present.
Just reinstalling the lamp holder and the two bulbs will do the trick
I also had a case (very annoying!) where a defective bulb was actually the source of the short!! (it is usually an open circuit when it's blown!)
Good luck
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline FMS  
#18 Posted : 15 July 2009 14:12:57(UTC)
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Hi Guys!

It´s like I told You, The machine needs new parts...I was trying to save something that can't be saved.

So I would like to make this one work based on new components.
Can somebody please give a few tips about what I need to make it digital and fully operational?

The correct reference to the parts would be lovely and usefull.

Thank You all in advance
Regards
FMS
Offline river6109  
#19 Posted : 15 July 2009 15:06:50(UTC)
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Couplers can be straightened with smooth-jawed pliers, and cleaned with WD40 and an old toothbrush to remove any rust and restore the blackened appearance.

I'm not sure whether the couplers should have centring springs or not? Mine did not have any.

Matt,

if we talk about the 3031 version:

regarding the couplers, they did'nt have a spring but a very thin plate with 2 upstanding profiles which held the coupling in the center position.
Sparepart number from ritters Restorations 187.027 € 1.40
The TM 800 must of had spring couplers.

regards.,
John
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Offline river6109  
#20 Posted : 15 July 2009 15:19:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by FMS
<br />Hi There!
I've got a situation here and don't know what to do. The machines works just fine, but when i assemble the body makes a short circuit?? I don't get it because all the wires look nice, but somethis is "touching" something...any clues?

Is it only when you put the housing back on ?
First check your Pickupshoe.
It should have a isolation plate and this is how it should be re-assembled.
1.) isolation plate
2.) contact plate for wire
3,) pick upshoe.
If your loco only shortens out when you put the housing back on, look at the brushholder plate and see if anything hangs out.

regards.,
John
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Offline FMS  
#21 Posted : 15 July 2009 15:33:57(UTC)
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John,

Thank You. But what I was trying to say is that I need a new engine, plus a decoder. what is the correct set to place here. doesn't need to be Mfx.

Ex:
Digital High Efficiency Propulsion Set.
Gauge H0 - Item No.: 60760

I've ben told that this is to big! Somebody sugested stuff from ESO.

I need to know what is the correct upgrade.

Tks
Regards
FMS
Offline river6109  
#22 Posted : 15 July 2009 16:06:13(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by FMS
<br />John,

Thank You. But what I was trying to say is that I need a new engine, plus a decoder. what is the correct set to place here. doesn't need to be Mfx.

Ex:
Digital High Efficiency Propulsion Set.
Gauge H0 - Item No.: 60760

I've ben told that this is to big! Somebody sugested stuff from ESO.

I need to know what is the correct upgrade.

Tks

One of the correct upgrades for this loco is a 60904 set (old number)
It has a 5 pole armature, armature or brush plate and some of the accessories.
ebay germany:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2136|293%3A1|294%3A50

Ask this seller if you can have the decoder with the 60904 set
http://cgi.ebay.de/ESU-5...14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2136|293%3A1|294%3A50

I have bought quite a few sets from this buyer.
This seller has all the parts you need to convert your loco including longer screws to secure brush plate.
there are other sellers who offer ESU decoders (52610) and an 8 pinplug wire harness. (51950).
My suggestion is if you have more digital locos on hand or are looking of converting them, an ESU lokprogrammer would be handy.




http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A2136|293%3A1|294%3A50

If you have luck with the first seller you could have the set and decoder from 1 buyer.

regards.,
John
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Offline WelshMatt  
#23 Posted : 16 July 2009 12:24:03(UTC)
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The possible problem with 60760 is the size of the magnet - I know my 3307 didn't fit together properly when I bought it, and I had to file the magnet a little. It still isn't quite right and doesn't run terribly well in one direction although I think that's more to do with the motor needing some fine-tuning.

There's plenty of space for the decoder, the Marklin decoder clip even has holes to allow it to bolt in place of the reverser.
Matt from Wales.

When you pay Range Rover prices, don't accept Lada quality
Offline FMS  
#24 Posted : 16 July 2009 12:30:28(UTC)
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Hi Matt, that's the point! I guess that is the main problem, it's too big to fit.
Than somebody told me about an ESU kit
Regards
FMS
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