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Offline Drongo  
#1 Posted : 13 June 2009 14:21:46(UTC)
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Hi Everyone, I've asked this question before in another thread, however, the answer was convincing. The question - on the CS1 there are 2 red knobs which control the loco speeds. When I turn these knobs I don't seem to get a regular response, i.e. sometimes the speed moves up and other times there's nothing and I have to keep turning the knobs before something happens. I comparing the reaction of the knobs to the Mobile station, where i seem to have a regular response, i.e. I turn the knob and the speed indicator moves accordingly. Is this the correct operation of the CS1 or not ?
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 13 June 2009 15:45:00(UTC)
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I have that with Mobile Station and Central Station 1: if turned too fast, nothing happens.
In general this is by design.

I cannot judge if the behaviour of your Central Station is "normal" or worse than it should be.
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Tom
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Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 13 June 2009 15:48:36(UTC)
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No, this is not normal,
You should return you CS to your dealer or Märklin.
Mobile Stations had this problem for a long time.
the red knob just would'nt respond to the speed steps.
Märklin sofar have exchanged about 10 Mobile stations for me.

John
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 13 June 2009 15:55:41(UTC)
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AFAIK this is normal behaviour. If you turn the knob too fast, as Tom says, not a lot happens. Try turning it a bit slower.
Offline Drongo  
#5 Posted : 13 June 2009 17:15:24(UTC)
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It doesn't seem to make much difference whether they are turned slowly or not. Sometimes they respond other times not. I've returned the CS1 to my dealer and they are going to test it against the one they have in their store. If it's wrong, then it's back to Marklin, again!
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Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 13 June 2009 18:55:32(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by youngagain
<br />It doesn't seem to make much difference whether they are turned slowly or not. Sometimes they respond other times not. I've returned the CS1 to my dealer and they are going to test it against the one they have in their store. If it's wrong, then it's back to Marklin, again!

Take my word.
I would'nt except it back, unless its fixed.

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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 13 June 2009 18:57:50(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />AFAIK this is normal behaviour. If you turn the knob too fast, as Tom says, not a lot happens. Try turning it a bit slower.


David,
I think you missing the point.

It is not normal behaviour.
If you dont believe me, ask Märklin.
They've recognised the fault.

John
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 14 June 2009 01:10:28(UTC)
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Well it is 'normal' behaviour because every CS1 I've used does it and many folks here have described their CS1 doing it. Maybe we are talking about two different things!

If you have a loco set to 28 or 128 speed steps, it can take many turns of the knob to get a decent speed on the loco. Turning the knob a bit slower actually causes the speed setting to go up a lot faster. Plenty of people here have described this happening. That's how I found out about it in the first place.

However, what Greg is describing, where the speed setting sometimes responds and sometimes doesn't, may be a fault.
Offline Drongo  
#9 Posted : 14 June 2009 07:52:19(UTC)
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Thanks John & David for your input, however, I'm confused. My thinking is along the line, that the knobs on the MS & CS1 should behave in the same manner, therefore, my CS1 is not behaving correctly. Hopefully Marklin will resolve the problem - it's just another wait for it to go to Germany and back - maybe this time it'll only be 3 months.
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Offline Caplin  
#10 Posted : 14 June 2009 14:52:10(UTC)
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At what software level is your CS1?

I seem to remember that one of the updates did improve on the turning of the red speed knobs.

Anyway, with mine now updated to ECos 3.0.1 I still have the effect of missing reaction on the speed graph (speedometer) if turning the knobs too fast, i.e. I reach the top speed faster (shown on the speedometer - not the actual speed of the loco) by turning the knob at a moderate speed rather than spinning it round and round - just like David describes it.
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Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 14 June 2009 16:53:34(UTC)
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Another example is the menu., by searching a particular loco or other digital component such as a cran or digital carriage.
The red button should respond/disrespond in the same manner.
David is correct in saying all depends on your speed level, the speedometer does respond slower or not at every click.
What should happen, if for instance you spin your red knob faster than normal the speedometer should respond to it.
Adrian you've described it as being irratic either responding or not responding to the turning clicks of the red knob.
Having had this problem for almost 2 years and having different reactions from the mobile station, e.g. speedometer or menu data.
I've got 1 mobile station that has a short inside.
I had one that turned itself off.
the only benefit I've got from the old faulty ones (1.2amp) they are all now 1.9 amp.
whereas before I could not run my Roco Swiss Ae 8/14 with 2 motors and a Lenz decoder but was able to run my BLS Re 8/8 with 2 motors.

John
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Offline davemr  
#12 Posted : 14 June 2009 17:16:27(UTC)
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The original MS and CS1 were made by ESU and come with many faults and in particular the speed control. You could as suggested try getting it repaired by Marklin or replaced as they probably had to do with the ESU made MS.
You could also try to sell what you have (could be difficult) and buy a CS2 which is made by somebody other than ESU and the speed control works perfectly and also has a great colour screen.
davemr
Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 14 June 2009 17:30:49(UTC)
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But also keep in mind that your repaired MS or CS1 will not be faultless. I can not speak for the recent ones. Mine still work ok.
so it could be, the old stock may had the same problem all over again.
I think another guideline is what experiences forum members have had with their digital components and other comments have been made about locos with strange running characteristics.

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