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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />Thanks, David.
What would we do without guys like you on the forum? I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble to do this for us.
My pleasure Ray! A big thanks also to the people at my work who let me use their big colour copiers / scanners and put up with me invading their workspace at lunchtimes! Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by haxpet<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Ray, 1983/84 and 1994/95 catalogs added.
Many thanks. I realy like this catalogs. But I will still be looking for the others that from the 80s and 90s. Even catalogs from 2000 and later are appreciated. haxpet, I have just about finished the 80's, and the 90's are already done. So, I will need to upload them for you over the next week or two. Keep your eye on this thread.
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1980, 1990/1991, 2000/2001 catalogs added.
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1983/84 and 1984/85 Catalogs added
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Thanks David.
I've found that the scans I've got for 1975 and 1977 are missing pages. Any chance of getting these complete?
Ta,
Ray |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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There certainly is Ray, I shall upload them next.
Does any one know if there was a catalog for 2004/2005? If you look on Frits Osterthun's site, he has no cover for that year - the covers go from 2003/2004 straight to 2005.
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David, after the 2003/4 catalog, the following year they produced the "Yearbook", which I believe was meant to show the models which had been produced in the previous year, rather than a catalogue which shows models which will be produced in the coming year. In this way they justified missing out a year.
They produced the Yearbook for 2005 and for 2006 and then went back to the "old way" for 2007/8 and 2008/9. So we are missing either 2004/5 or 2006/7, depending on how you look at it. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Thanks Ray, I thought that was the case, but wasn't 100% sure. That means that the 2002/2003 catalog I am currently scanning is the last one, that will complete the set from 1950 through to 2008/2009, at least for HO. There are some 1 Gauge and Z Gauge catalogs to scan as well. Plus one or two people want me to scan the Kolls 2002 - all 1500 pages or so!
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When you're done with that, I'm missing a couple of volumes of the Encyclopedia Brittanica.... |
Ray
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Well, there's also the matter of some O gauge catalogs and trackplan books from the 1930's as well......
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Ray, 1975 catalog uploaded.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Well, there's also the matter of some O gauge catalogs and trackplan books from the 1930's as well......
That would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Thor
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Thanks David,
Been away for the weekend. I'll download them now. |
Ray
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Any concern here about copyright? |
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I am concerned about copyright, but this is outside this site... |
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Has anyone seen a copyright notice inside the catalogs.......??
However, should there be an issue I will quite happily remove all links and files.
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In my opinion, copyright is an issue if someone is losing money from having their work copied.
So, for example, if you make and distribute copies of the current catalogue, which is still on sale from Marklin, then Marklin loses money because they are not selling the originals.
If you make copies of the 1975 catalogue, I don't think Marklin could argue that they are losing out, unless they are providing this service themselves for a fee, which they are not.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think my conscience would be clear if I behave according to these rules. |
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Although, essentially the catalogues are now given away free. Here in NZ we pay $30 odd for it, but this is the cost of having them freighted from Germany. The catalogue itself is free.
So you could argue that Marklin aren't losing money at all, in fact they may be benefiting by having them more widely distributed, in that (hopefully) more product is being sold.
I certainly wouldn't put something like the 07451 track plan book up for download, because that contains a specific copyright notice in it - you can't reproduce it by copying or scanning it. There doesn't seem to be any corresponding notice in any of the current catalogues.
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I have a 1999-2000 catalogue in front of me and it says on the inside cover page.
All rights reserved. Copying in whole or part prohibited.
Printed in Germany by J. Fink, Ostfildern.
150 02 - 10 99 fi
Copyright by Gebr. Märklin & Cie. GmbH.
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As it does in the 2002/2003 catalogue, and also the 1971 catalogue (2 places I looked in).
However, try finding that in the 2008/2009 Yearbook!
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In fact the last yearbook the copyright notice appears in is the 2003/2004 edition, which probably corresponds with the time when Marklin started giving the yearbook away for free (2005 edition).
And there are precedents set by Marklin themselves, where books such as the 0340 signal manual are freely available for download off various sites.
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Marklin also made available a couple of years ago scans of some catalogs from the '50s on their website. |
Ray
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In Canada, copyright in an anyonymous literary work expires 50 years after the end of the calendar year in which it was first published (Copyright Act, s. 6.1). I believe that legislation in most other countries is similar. So there should be no copyright issue for the pre-1959 catalogues.
Unauthorized publication is an infringement, even if the publication is not undertaken for commercial purposes and even if the copyright holder is not currently publishing or profiting from the work. The copyright holder might not be able to prove any damages, but would in any case be entitled to an injunction to restrain the publication, and to costs.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ladislas
<br />In Canada, copyright in an anyonymous literary work expires 50 years after the end of the calendar year in which it was first published (Copyright Act, s. 6.1). I believe that legislation in most other countries is similar. So there should be no copyright issue for the pre-1959 catalogues.
Unauthorized publication is an infringement, even if the publication is not undertaken for commercial purposes and even if the copyright holder is not currently publishing or profiting from the work. The copyright holder might not be able to prove any damages, but would in any case be entitled to an injunction to restrain the publication, and to costs.
What about copying something for private use? |
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Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Just please do not refer to this site and this topic when someone asks for catalog scans in other places...  |
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In the US there are so many "Micky Mouse" copy right laws brought forth by the Disney lobby that it is scary and ridiculous at the same time.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Webmaster<br />Just please do not refer to this site and this topic when someone asks for catalog scans in other places... Maybe it might be better to remove the links, and people can email me if they want a specific catalogue.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
What about copying something for private use?
Fair dealing for the purpose of research or private study does not infringe copyright. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote: Originally posted by Ladislas<br /> Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
What about copying something for private use?
Fair dealing for the purpose of research or private study does not infringe copyright. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing Thanks, That article is very interesting. Although it seems to relate more to either students or journalists, I suppose you could define our forum as a medium for evaluating and studying Marklin products. Copying a photo from a catalog or website and posting it for discussion purposes would seem to be covered as critical review, and therefore should be classed as "fair dealing" in most countries. ...but then, I'm an engineer, not a lawyer! |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ladislas
<br />In Canada, copyright in an anyonymous literary work expires 50 years after the end of the calendar year in which it was first published (Copyright Act, s. 6.1). I believe that legislation in most other countries is similar. So there should be no copyright issue for the pre-1959 catalogues. But I now see that in France, copyright in anonymous works subsists for 70 years from publication. ( Code de la propriété intellectuelle, Art. L123-3) So I was not justified in assuming that the 50-year timespan is a general rule.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
I suppose you could define our forum as a medium for evaluating and studying Marklin products. Copying a photo from a catalog or website and posting it for discussion purposes would seem to be covered as critical review, and therefore should be classed as "fair dealing" in most countries. I agree. On the other hand, copying the entire catalogue probably would not be fair dealing.
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I have removed the download links from this thread. Contact me should you want something.
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I think this is all very sad, as I believe this to be a vital service in a forum like this. And for a company which relies heavyly on it´s heritage as Márklin does, it seems all the more strange that they don´t provide a similar service by themselves.
By the way David, I was looking forward to 1956-1971 especially 1960, which is my birthyear and 1967 which was the first catalog I ever saw, so if there is a way you can help me, I would be very happy. |
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Where there's a will, there's a way!
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David
Just out of interest . I have catalogues from the late 50's (56) through to the late 60's (69).. They did not have any layout diagrams in them .. I am assuming that somewhere in the 70's Marklin started including suggested layouts? ... (which then disappear prior to my next catalogues in the 90's when number one son arrived and hobby restarted)
Cheers
Sprogger
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Correct, there may be one or two track plans in some of the 1980's catalogs, but by that time those plans were based around the track extension sets available.
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David
Very interested in those 70's catalogues then .. have large inventory of M track plus turntable, metal stations. bridges et al and am looking at how to best build a permanent (folding) layout
Cheers
Sprogger
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Hi David,
The Maerklin_Schienenanlagen_Spur_00.pdf file is from June 1938. On the first page bottom left there are some letters and numbers, YN 0638 j, and if i remember correctly "YN" refer to the number printed, "0638" to the month and year this booklet was printed in and then finally the "j" which is the the name of the printing house.
Kind regards,
Thor
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Fantastic, thanks for that Thor.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bayer
<br />Hi David,
The Maerklin_Schienenanlagen_Spur_00.pdf file is from June 1938. On the first page bottom left there are some letters and numbers, YN 0638 j, and if i remember correctly "YN" refer to the number printed, "0638" to the month and year this booklet was printed in and then finally the "j" which is the the name of the printing house.
Kind regards,
Thor
Hi Thor, you are correct. YN refers to 30,000 printed and "j" is the printing corporation. Regards, Bill |
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Thanks Bill.
Any ideas on the catalog reprint?
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Hi everyone, The reprint 1930s catalog is a D 9 from 1932. Regards, Bill P.S. Not a PDF available, but something interesting I might add. Please excuse the poor condition of this catalog! It is a 1937 German edition printed in the edition of 200,000 (not very rare). http://www.marklinstop.c...1937catalog/Default.html |
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Yes, I think you are correct Bill. It isn't 1935 - 1940, as I have just seen the covers for those years in the back of Kolls 2002 Book 1.
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Very good, Thanks for sharing. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:[i]The reprint 1930s catalog is a D 9 from 1932.
Thanks Bill.
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Does anyone have scans of other 0 gauge catalogs from the 30s? I have the 1932 reprint and the 1935...looking for 37, 38, etc.
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Sorry, no. The 1938 catalog agvera uploaded is OO gauge.
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by skeptic49
<br />Does anyone have scans of other 0 gauge catalogs from the 30s? I have the 1932 reprint and the 1935...looking for 37, 38, etc.
If you are looking for a particular model in one of those catalog years, I can help you out. I have a reference book with every O Gauge catalog from about 1890 - 1950s. Regards, Bill |
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