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Offline RDRBerry  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2004 01:51:11(UTC)
RDRBerry


Joined: 13/02/2004(UTC)
Posts: 382
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Hello out there.

In order to avoid the mass of wiring that was the downfall of my last layout [5 years ago] I have bought some decoders to run the points etc.
I have the intellibox, and am a geat fan of it.

Now blow me if I can work out how to set themm beyond the first few numbers on the top row of the keyboard. Unforntunayely I cannot work it out from thelimited English instructions.

If anyone can do a step by step process I would be very grateful.

Could hook up the old 6021.

On a separate note can non digital controllers be used to boost the supply as I have some drop in current now I am expanding the run? Trying to avoid the cost of a new transformer....

Cheers

Ralph
Ralph
HO digital ,Intellibox and 6021
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2004 17:03:52(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


Joined: 15/12/2003(UTC)
Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Hi Ralph, the english version of the IB manual, available at www.uhlenbrock.de is an old one, it doesn't include Route Control functions, but it's complete for Keyboard functions and others, including the connection of a 6021.
I suggest you take a look on it.
In regards to additional power for your layout: you need digital boosters fed by separate trafos to add power.
If you want to feed your turnout decoders, a Delta Control is useful.
You can use Viessmann decoders and feed them with AC from a trafo. No additional equipment needed, only some caution.
Regards,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline piglesias  
#3 Posted : 24 February 2004 05:04:17(UTC)
piglesias

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Location: (In Dresden, Germany - 2012/3)
I'm planning my first layout (I've been hooked on model trains since I saw my first set in 1972! - it's been a long wait) but I am a bit confused with the notion of boosters and the like. Right now I run digital (around the dining room table :-) ) with a 6021/6002 transformer. I haven't yet automated my switches. Is the idea to buy another transformer to run the switches directly? As far as I can understand, I could do this with the digital system directly from the 6002 but from what I read in the forum this is not a good idea. Right? Then, if I buy a cheap Delta transformer, can I use this to power my switches?
Pablo
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#4 Posted : 24 February 2004 21:17:57(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


Joined: 15/12/2003(UTC)
Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Hola Pablo, let me try to put some light...
If you plan to control your turnouts digitally, you need to add keyboards to your 6021 to command them, not a trafo.
Each keyboard serves up to 16 turnouts/signals.
Keyboards are not cheap and currently being discontinued, so I think this is not a good option. I suggest you to wait until september, when Uhlenbrock releases the new 6021-LocoNet-Adapter. It allows the connection of all LocoNet devices to your 6021, thus greatly expanding its capabilities.
In addition, you get IRIS, an infrared remote control for 80 locos and 256 turnouts. A very good option, in my opinion.
For non-digital control of turnouts, you need a trafo and control boxes. You should provide good isolation of motors under the turnouts to avoid contact between center rail and metal cover of motors, since such a contact will very probably damage your 6021. This is the old way for tournout control, obsolete in my opinion. You can take full advantage of state-of-the-art digital control with the new 6021-LocoNet-Adapter.
Regards,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline RDRBerry  
#5 Posted : 25 February 2004 00:38:58(UTC)
RDRBerry


Joined: 13/02/2004(UTC)
Posts: 382
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
This is very intersting, I have a 6021 as well so there is a future use for it..

I will try and get mre numbers out of the systenm to set the Uhelenbrok switches and get back to you.

The advice is very helpful.

Now back to that woodwork.

Ralph
Ralph
HO digital ,Intellibox and 6021
Offline piglesias  
#6 Posted : 25 February 2004 02:59:50(UTC)
piglesias

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Joined: 30/10/2002(UTC)
Posts: 42
Location: (In Dresden, Germany - 2012/3)
Gracias,

I did understand about the keyboard as a means of controlling the turnouts. (though the advice to wait for the loco-net adaptor is greatly appreciated; actually I had thought of eventually getting an Intellibox)

However, my question was about powering the turnouts (rather than controlling them). Is the power coming from the 6002 sufficient to power 3-4 locos and the turnouts?

Thanks,

Pablo
Pablo
Offline jorge_vilarrubi  
#7 Posted : 25 February 2004 04:47:28(UTC)
jorge_vilarrubi


Joined: 15/12/2003(UTC)
Posts: 655
Location: Buenos Aires,
Pablo, yes, it should be sufficient for 4 locos and turnouts. When you have digital turnouts, they are driven one at a time by the digital system, so there is not a great amount of current drained from the system. However, you will notice a decrease in the light of locos and coaches at the exact moment when the turnout is driven. To avoid this, some type of booster is needed, fed by a separate trafo. An old Delta Control is excellent for this task: it is cheap, simple and dependable.
In regards to IntelliBox, if you plan to buy one, go and buy it when you have the money, it is the most advanced digital system so far with lots of possibilities. In addition, you can add an IRIS (only) for remote control of your layout. You can control up to 9999 locos, 320 motorola turnouts, 48 routes... etc, etc.
Saludos,
Jorge Vilarrubí
Buenos Aires
ARGENTINA
Offline McLae  
#8 Posted : 25 February 2004 22:07:57(UTC)
McLae


Joined: 16/07/2002(UTC)
Posts: 1,575
Location: DeSoto (Dallas area), TX
I have two keyboards (6040) connected to my IB. This gives me control of 40 items (switches, signals, etc). The 6040 plugs into the IB, just like to a 6021. In the back of the IB manual, there is a table of settings for decoder (k83) addresses.
Also, look at section 7.4 (page 54).


The Viessmann 5211 has a connection for a separate power supply for the relays. This is where you can use your old trafos.
The 5211 also have external switches; no need to open the case to change settings.


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