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Offline rschaffr  
#1 Posted : 19 January 2009 23:47:59(UTC)
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I love the 39100 Senator set, however when I got and installed the additional cars, I found that it had some problems pulling the train up some of my inclines, particularly if they were curved. I took the motor unit off and examined it. I found that it has four driven wheels but only two had traction tire. Upon closer examination, I discovered that the other two driven wheels had the grooves cut in them for tires, but no tires installed. I added the two tires and it will now pull up any grade without any hesitation. Has anyone else noticed this?
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline hemau  
#2 Posted : 19 January 2009 23:59:24(UTC)
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Are you sure the traction tyres from the 2 'empty' wheels are not lying somewhere on the layout? It happens every now and then that traction tires run off or break.
<s>You could also check in the catalogue or exploded view (if it's there on M* site) how many traction tires your Senator should have.</s>
&lt;&lt;edit: there are no indications about the number of 'haftreifen' in either catalogue or exploded view&gt;&gt;
If there are grooves, I'm sure those wheels should have traction tires (grooved wheels without traction tires run very bad).
Regards, Henk.
C and M track; CS1R and 2 MS
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Offline rschaffr  
#3 Posted : 20 January 2009 00:16:13(UTC)
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Henk:

That was my first thought. However in disassembling the front assembly, I could see no way for the tires to come off without breaking. Also, it would be unlikely that two from the same axle would have come off. I was just wondering if they were left off mine or it eas intentional, and if anyone else who as this model has noticed (or would look).
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline Renato  
#4 Posted : 20 January 2009 12:49:06(UTC)
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I have the 39100 Senator set and I have not operated it yet (very strange indeed!).
I will have a look and report to you about the number of traction tires installed.

Renato
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Offline pa-pauls  
#5 Posted : 20 January 2009 14:01:53(UTC)
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The manual for the 39100 model says traction tyres # 7154.

My set has 4 x traction tyres installed from factory as I have only done a test run Smile
Pål Paulsen
Märklin Spur 1 Digital, epoche 3
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Offline rschaffr  
#6 Posted : 20 January 2009 15:30:56(UTC)
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Thanks, Pål. I guess it was just an oversight. Not a big problem. I installed two 7154's on it and it is fine. I was just curious as to whether mine was just missed or it was a production decision.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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Offline Renato  
#7 Posted : 20 January 2009 19:31:21(UTC)
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Hi Ron,

As promised yesterday I have just had a look at my 39100 Senator set and now I can confirm that a total of 4 traction tires are installed.

Have a very good run with this beautiful model after the replacement of the 2 missing traction tires.

Renato
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Offline rschaffr  
#8 Posted : 20 January 2009 20:45:01(UTC)
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It is running great, thanks. It is really a nice product.
-Ron
Digital, Epoch IV-V(K-track/CS3/6021Connect/60216051), Epoch III(C-track/6021/6036/6051)
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