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Offline obxbill  
#1 Posted : 12 January 2009 03:18:55(UTC)
obxbill

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Location: manteo, nc
Does anyone own any Piko AC locos? If so, how's the quality of their digital versions? They seem fairly affordable which makes me curious.

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Davy  
#2 Posted : 12 January 2009 04:01:48(UTC)
Davy


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Location: Netherlands
It is not to bad. But it is no Marklin.

M-track with a CS2.
Offline mvd71  
#3 Posted : 12 January 2009 06:21:44(UTC)
mvd71

New Zealand   
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Location: Auckland,
My dealer won't sell them simply because he's had some customers bring them to him with faults, and he doesn't think there good quality.
Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 12 January 2009 08:38:56(UTC)
Goofy


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Mostley of them are very noising...!
I have seen a steamlocomotiv testingrunning and it was not pleasant to see and hear how locomotiv was under function...!

Goofy
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#5 Posted : 12 January 2009 09:44:17(UTC)
kgsjoqvist

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Location: Täby
I bought one Piko AC loco just because of the price - 1/3 of a Märklin Hobby loco... And this loco was just for my daughter to play with anyway.

It has a very simple decoder, can't even control the lights and running is at "Delta level". But the details of the loco body are not bad at all, it looks like a standard Märklin loco.
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#6 Posted : 12 January 2009 10:24:56(UTC)
Sander van Wijk

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Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,
Recently a customer of mine opted for a Piko SBB AM 843 MaK G1700. Although the model looks a bit plastic and has a rather cheap can-type motor, it is equipped with LEDs. The original decoder made it run horribly, but after fitting a ESU Lokpilot (v3) it was actually quite acceptable. Not comparable to most Märklin models but alright considering its lower price. (Even including the additional costs of a new decoder)
Sander
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Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 12 January 2009 12:45:11(UTC)
RayF

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Location: Gibraltar, Europe
I have a Piko Taurus and also the Piko Desiro railcar.

The Taurus is a "Hobby" model and has rather a poor decoder, with no load regulation, but otherwise runs smoothly and quietly. I think a replacement of the decoder to a Lokpilot would be a good idea. It is comparable in price to a Marklin Hobby loco like the Traxx electrics or Hercules diesel, but is plastic bodied and doesn't run so well because of the decoder. OK as a cheap alternative to a Marklin or Roco Taurus.

The Desiro is from Piko's standard range, and has a much better decoder. It runs very nicely, has switchable interior lighting, and looks nice. If you compare it to a Marklin "Lint" railcar it does not look out of place.

Ray
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:27:29(UTC)
H0


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Location: DE-NW
I have three Hobby locos. They came with Uhlenbrock AnDi decoders and performed much like Delta locos. Headlights could be switched.
Loco was prepared for a NEM connector, but decoder was soldered on.

Newer Hobby locos have a NEM connector and load regulation.
Non-Hobby locos (I have none) had load regulation for some time.

The locos jump on the c-track 24649 crossing (w/o derailing) - the wheels are not fully M* compatible.

I replaced the AnDis with different decoders - and anything runs better than AnDi.
With AnDi you can't even set minimum and maximum speed. As noted this only applies to old models with AnDi (which are still for sale).

A BR 101 is on its way - it should have NEM connector and load regulation.
Hobby locos still have a cheaper decoder than the standard program (all Uhlenbrock decoders).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Brakepad  
#9 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:30:13(UTC)
Brakepad

France, Metropolitan   
Joined: 25/08/2008(UTC)
Posts: 633
Location: Montlouis sur Loire, France
Hi,

I owned two Piko Taurus that I converted from 3C to 2C (yes, I'm not wrong), sold the locos and kept the decoder. It's a very simple An-Di but useful for "cheap" loks that need to be converted to digital. The original loco was not bad nor noisy, In fact I think they are some kind of "best value" in the market. Of course they are not Märklins, but they cost less than a half.

Actually I own 2 Piko's SNCF 67400 diesels, and they run like a dream. They have UHL 76320 factory installed, and are smooth, powerful, pretty quiet...and very, very cheap. Of course they are not like a Märklin...but I do not expect them to be.
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
Offline RDRBerry  
#10 Posted : 12 January 2009 20:17:32(UTC)
RDRBerry


Joined: 13/02/2004(UTC)
Posts: 382
Location: Bradford, West Yorkshire
Variable is my experience.

In the end you do get what you pay for and entry end products help keep the hobby accessible.

The Br 92 0 10 0 tank is smooth running, metal body, good decoder and highly detailed, I think its up there.

I recently bought the 0 8 0 in SNCB loco, Hobby range, runs very well but is a bit simpler in detail.

Just my thoughts...

Ralph
HO digital ,Intellibox and 6021
Offline spitzenklasse  
#11 Posted : 12 January 2009 21:12:58(UTC)
spitzenklasse


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Exactly right Mr Berry! I have a Piko Taurus Dispolok. It runs well. I wish it had load compensation. It has no traction tires, so adhesion is nill. It is rather quiet. With the older hobby version decoder (Uhlenbrock), You must activate the headlights as you are programming the adress, or they will not function later on. For what the cost was, I have no complaints. I have a DC version Pendolino Regioswinger diesel railcar by Piko. It is a nice model. Runs wel, quietly, has dcc interface, interior lighting on at 8 volts, led head, tail lighting.
Offline obxbill  
#12 Posted : 13 January 2009 02:50:11(UTC)
obxbill

United States   
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC)
Posts: 1,300
Location: manteo, nc
Thanks for all the help! I was actually toying with the idea of a Taurus because of the attractive price. I'll have to mull it over a little more, so we'll see. Obviously you get what you pay for so I wasn't expecting too much. On the other hand, I do have some of their freight cars and have been quite satisfied with them.

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline mmervine  
#13 Posted : 13 January 2009 02:53:21(UTC)
mmervine

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Posts: 1,893
Location: Keene, NH
Here are some reviews/photos of Piko loks:

http://www.dermodellbahn...iko/lokomotiven-piko.htm

Märklin C-track, Marklin Digital & ECoS, multi-era French & Swiss
http://www.ete-ene.org/m...mervines-layout-gallery/
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 13 January 2009 05:11:43(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

New Zealand   
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Posts: 18,763
Location: New Zealand
Bill, you could try a Roco Tauras, which is a bit cheaper than the Marklin equivalent (around $300 US - check www.eurolokshop.com). I have one of these Roco models, and find it to be very smooth and quiet and runs well on my M track layout. It has a metal chassis and plastic body. I'm not too sure about the plastic gears, but so far it has not given me any trouble.

One of the reasons I bought it was I wanted a Tauras in DB traffic red with DB markings, which Marklin no longer produce. In fact keeping an eye on ebay revealed that 2nd hand copies of the Marklin loco were selling for around 240 euros, which is new price for some items. I paid around 180 euros for the Roco Tauras. Now, I wouldn't mind getting the Railon version, which Roco also sell.
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