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Offline WelshMatt  
#1 Posted : 09 January 2009 13:38:16(UTC)
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I realise that these are old modules but I've been wondering what precisely Marklin changed on the 6027 central unit as opposed to the 6020. For those who don't know, 6020 was the original Motorola digital central unit used with 6035/6 and similar control boxes. 6027 was for a two rail digital system offered at the same time which was phased out when the modern DCC standard became widespread. What I'd like to know is what's the difference in the innards - is it just a case of 6027 having a few different chips to 6020?

I noticed that this two rail system was attributed to Marklin and Lenz - does this mean it has some DCC leanings? Lenz did invent the DCC standard after all.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline Lars Westerlind  
#2 Posted : 09 January 2009 21:30:51(UTC)
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As I've got it, Lenz developed both protocols for Märklin; "Motorola" first, which got it's name from 4 Motorola chips that was used for encoding and decoding the track protocol. The coded signal was intended for IR remote controls by Motorola, if I've got it right. Later these chips have been replaced by special chips with more on it, also for the Motorola units; and the so called Motorola II has nothing to do with Motorola except it's compatibility.

After that, Lenz developed 2R protocol for Märklin too, which among others is symmetric which Motorola wasn't. I think original 6020 has Motorola encoder chip inside, but 6027 can't possibly have the same.

What happened next was that Lenz and NMRA combined and issued DCC, which I think is the same protocol as Märklin 2R (I mix up Märklin 2R and Märklin 1, I know) but as DCC is a standard, there were additional specifications added. Therefore, it's no guarrantee that the equpments work together, but AFAIK a chance.

One particular peculiarity I happenen to have some experience with, is the Lenz brake signal. With (later) Motorola decoders, if they sence a negative DC signal, the brake gently, with light and sound on. When DCC was decided, it was stated that a running train sensed a DC signal, which if interpreted "analog" should mean that it should reverse, would not cause reversing but a stop. This statement allowed for Lenz to keep their brake signal, and european manufacturers followed. It seems, other decoders makers let the train stop abrupt, without sound nor light. For this reason, it's possible on my layout to run multiprotocol Motorola+DCC, using DC signal as standard brake indication, because I choose european decoders!

/Lars
Offline WelshMatt  
#3 Posted : 09 January 2009 22:53:33(UTC)
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Thanks Lars - that fits with what I've been able to dig up elsewhere. It looks as though 6027 supports an early form of DCC (two digit addressing and 14 speed steps).

I've just paid £10 for a mint and boxed 6027 as I had a 6032 (the programmer box for the same system) bundled with a 6035 I bought a while ago. Not sure if/when I'll use it but it's interesting from a digital history viewpoint (I also have a few bits from Hornby's old Zero 1 system, so a collection is developing!)
Matt from Wales.

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Offline Webmaster  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2009 23:46:48(UTC)
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6027 can be seen as the "mother of DCC", since Lenz developed it and later proposed the track protocol to NMRA as a standard (as usual after some patent quarrels with M, regarding some features in the Motorola decoders...)...

The 6027 & 6032 can only use DCC bitwise register programming as I understand - this was before CV bytes were invented...
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